KVR Audio

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:39 am

i've just had another "lost weekend" with Oatmeal ... love it!

tranceglobal · Post by **tranceglobal** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:58 am

Fuzzpilz wrote:If the bank/patch load buttons on Oatmeal's GUI ever let you load fxp/fxb files, I'd be very surprised. They are, and have always been, for Oatmeal's own formats only.

I must have recalled wrong. I guess most of the banks people have made are in fxp and fxb....

Thanks,

D.

P.T. · Post by **P.T.** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:32 am

I'd like a bank of "Bread and Butter" type patches as starting points. They could be used as is or to get people started on their own patches.

ChocoLatteRabbit · Post by **ChocoLatteRabbit** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:32 pm

Good idea, P.T. Work has got me snowed under lately or I'd have offered one by now. It may be several weeks before I'm able.

Meanwhile, you can hit the random button until you get a tone you like, turn off all the effects and filters and tweak it like a fresh initial patch. Pay attention to the custom waveforms that it sometimes creates. Some are pretty good keepers to save.

Burnie · Post by **Burnie** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:12 pm

Sorry everybody for being late, but KvR doesn't work well here, and didn't let me write on this forum, and i don't know why...
It seems to work now...

So, i have updated the package, one more time, with the new skins. Here it is :
http://lesitedeburnie.free.fr/Oatmeal-35.5-10042006.rar

Sorry Fuzzpilz, but i tried many times to give you the bad presets i was talking about in a previous message... Here they are :
http://lesitedeburnie.free.fr/non-working-presets.rar

soma · Post by **soma** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:13 pm

Fuzzpilz-

Care to share you secrets about how you tamed the "random" beast. I alomst never get a silent/noise/ or loud-too-unusable patch.

Which parameters have limits and what are they? Are theyre depencacies logics etc?

Fuzzpilz · Post by **Fuzzpilz** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:35 pm

Burnie: They work fine for me... are you trying to load them with the load button on the GUI? It doesn't do fxps. You'll have to use your host for that. If you are trying to load them through your host, which host exactly is this? What are the problems you're experiencing?

soma: The code basically looks something like this (except in actual C++ instead of pseudocode):

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if(filter is lowpass or bandpass)
{
    if(decide(0.4))
    {
        cutoff = 440*(random integer from 1 to 5)*(detune by within +/-10 cents);
        if(decide(0.4))keytrack = 1;
        else if(decide(0.2))keytrack = -1;
        else keytrack = (random value between -2 and 2);
    }
    else
    {
        cutoff = (random value between 200 and 4000 Hz, lower values more likely);
    }
}
else
{
    cutoff = (random value between 200 and 2000 Hz, lower values more likely);
}

As you can see, it's rather more messy than complex.

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:40 pm

how did you do per-syllable on the name randomizer fuz? or am I giving it more credit than needed and you actually did words that just appear to be per syllable randomization?

Fuzzpilz · Post by **Fuzzpilz** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:47 pm

No per-syllable stuff, no. Basically just lists of words, with a few tags to tell which verbs can be turned into participles by just appending -ed or -ing and which need different rules, that sort of thing.

Burnie · Post by **Burnie** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:56 pm

I made them with Minihost and Savihost, and tried to use them with the same hosts... I will try with another new instance (is it the good word ?) of Oatmeal... Perhaps it comes from manipulations i probably did with the instance i actually use... Thank you very much for testing these patches...

Fuzzpilz · Post by **Fuzzpilz** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:05 pm

What exactly are you doing to load them and what precisely happens instead?

soma · Post by **soma** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:12 pm

So Fuzz,
Is the safe random logic only applied to filters or to waves and Arps, etc. too?

And it seems to me that the names are related to the sounds. eg. something with "snake" in it will always have a user PW wave. Or am I dreaming?

Anyway, works much better than Xt's randomize function on most VST's.

Fuzzpilz · Post by **Fuzzpilz** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:20 pm

Everything the randomizer does, it does in that general sort of way. The names are entirely separate from the rest of it.

Burnie · Post by **Burnie** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:23 pm

I do what is required, i suppose, exactly what i do for all those that work... In Savihost, "load program", in Minihost "load preset", then choose one, and then, when i play, it makes some (3 or 4) cracking sounds (from audio card perhaps), and silence. After that, when i load another preset that usually works, it works... The soft is not out. It depends on the preset.

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:34 pm

soma wrote:So Fuzz,
Is the safe random logic only applied to filters or to waves and Arps, etc. too?

And it seems to me that the names are related to the sounds. eg. something with "snake" in it will always have a user PW wave. Or am I dreaming?

Anyway, works much better than Xt's randomize function on most VST's.

This is the same kind of eerie coincidence I asked him about. It's just eerie isn't it?

There is a ghost in this one.

Oatmeal (mediocre free VSTi) - 37-4 (fixed Renoise problem)