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c_huelsbeck · Post by **c_huelsbeck** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:37 pm

How about this version:

http://www.huelsbeck.com/reverb_test2.mp3

uvacom · Post by **uvacom** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:38 pm

brok landers wrote:hey, come on, i was 4 hours away, then asap i posted that it was the artsacoustic reverb, posted the original wav and the preset ... what more do you want?
i explained that i thought it was clear that it is the aar, as i allways praised it very often here ...

I'm not saying anything about your intent - and now the playing field is quite even - I'm just saying the initial conditions were unfavorable to creating the desired outcome. When this thread was created, important information was left out.

Please don't take this as some kind of CSR franboy thing - I tried the demo until it expired, I was pretty impressed. But I also think AAR is at least as nice sounding, and cheaper. CSR's strength is more in it's versatility, IMHO.

Mikem · Post by **Mikem** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:39 pm

c_huelsbeck wrote:How about this version:

http://www.huelsbeck.com/reverb_test2.mp3

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c_huelsbeck · Post by **c_huelsbeck** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:49 pm

Mikem wrote:
c_huelsbeck wrote:How about this version:

http://www.huelsbeck.com/reverb_test2.mp3
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Sorry:

http://www.huelsbeck.com/sounds/reverb_test2.mp3

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:51 pm

uvacom wrote:a highly skilled engineer can do much more with the right information than somebody unskilled.

1. There's the original file.

2. You can listen to it.

3. Now match it, or make it better.

How much more info can you possibly need?

It REALLY doesn't matter what reverbs or specific settings were used, if you know your plugs/hardware and how they perform.

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:03 pm

Mikem wrote:reg,

For those without AAR, maybe you could post a screenshot of your settings, so those who own CSR can at least have a ballpark idea of what settings contribute to your sound. If you want CSR to compete, similar parameters would be a great place to start.

And I think that should have been done at the outset--it wouldn't have changed the spirit of your inquiry. It just would have cut right to the point without all the speculation, etc.

hey mikem, my name is brok ...

"reg" is the shortcut of "regards" ...

here is the screenshot:

c_huelsbeck · Post by **c_huelsbeck** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:04 pm

brok landers wrote:
c_huelsbeck wrote:I don't want to spoil the party, but I just played with some plugins at my disposal and came up with this:

http://www.huelsbeck.com/sounds/reverb_test1.mp3

Yes I know it's not exactly the same, but very close and I only spend a couple of minutes and it uses free / SX standard plugins...

I don't meant to trash the AAR, it's on my list of future purchases, but it seems to me all a bit relative...
what is it exactly?
its nice ...
but in comparsion to my files i find it a bit too muddy/washy, destroying the harmonic content of the audiofile, musically i mean ...
also i found it a bit poor in the high frequencies of the tail ...
this is the "open" thingy i meant in posts before ... i allways instinctively would like to raise the roomwidth slider in your reverb ... that exactly is what only the aar provided to me the way i wanted it instantly ... dunno bout the csr, though ...

curiosity kills me ...

Yes, I can hear the difference, but I'm pretty confident with a little more work I could match it or surpass it (but that's entirely a matter of taste of course). On the other hand, there seem to be people here that can't even get it right with their AAR and are asking you for the patch / settings... makes me wonder if I really want to spend those 200 bucks soon...

Here's what I did: I took the Roomworks that comes with SX and paired it with 2 free instances of Kjaerhus Chorus, one before the reverb and one after... plus tweaking of all the parameters of all the plugs...

Btw: I love the dreamy little sequence you recorded... would make an excellent Chillout track...

ericj23 · Post by **ericj23** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:05 pm

but i thought this wasnt about how well you know your plugs etc - but about good various reverbs sound

so having some idea of how parameters were set up should make it easier to reproduce or improve on

Mikem · Post by **Mikem** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:12 pm

brok landers wrote: hey mikem, my name is brok ...

Doh, sorry. Posts have been duly edited. I took my cue from ttoz who first called you Reg!

Mikem · Post by **Mikem** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:13 pm

ericj23 wrote:but i thought this wasnt about how well you know your plugs etc - but about good various reverbs sound

so having some idea of how parameters were set up should make it easier to reproduce or improve on

Exactly! Somehow this turned into some kind of tweak competition, which wasn't the intent, I'm sure.

Quit slamming people who can't tweak as well as Brok. And let's all be grateful for those like Brok who are willing to share when they come up with something lovely.

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:18 pm

c_huelsbeck-i thought it was the roomworks (which is also known as a freeware reverb called "ambience" by bram from smartelectronix

), but i was not sure cause the modulation ... nevertheless, it sounds better now with the high/mid content, but the "open-ness" i doubt you can reach with a chorus before a reverb (which is a common techique, they used to do this all the time in the 80's) ...
it's a very different result when the delays in a reverb are actually modulated with a given algorithm ...
also the frequency behaviour of a reverb can hardly be adjusted by an eq ... so there will be no choice, if one wants to reach up to the big ones, the reverb itself has to provide a certain quality which you can't dial up with other units like eq or a chorus ... nevertheless, for a buildt in reverb this sounds not too bad at all ... as you said, all a matter of opinion ...
besides that ericj23 is right to a certain degree ...

to all: ain't there somebody who can come up with some csr files for comparing?

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:20 pm

Mikem wrote:
brok landers wrote: hey mikem, my name is brok ...
Doh, sorry. Posts have been duly edited. I took my cue from ttoz who first called you Reg!

i thought so ...

i forgot to tell ttoz though ...
nevertheless, doesn't really matter ....

martian · Post by **martian** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:21 pm

i agree with kingston, i dont see how knowing the settings helps? unless you use the same reverb. generally not really sure why some seem so angry?

lets party

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:23 pm

of course, makes only sense if one has the aar ... i thought mikem has it?
he could've used the preset then (stupid me)

Mikem · Post by **Mikem** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:26 pm

brok landers wrote:of course, makes only sense if one has the aar ... i thought mikem has it?
he could've used the preset then (stupid me)

I don't, but I may be getting it now! I wanted the preset available as an added incentive for getting it.

I do have CSR, though. Can't promise I'll be the one who uses your screenshot as guidance for a tweaking, though. I've spent VERY little time with CSR so far, and I don't remember creating anything as lush as what you've done with AAR. I wouldn't be surprised if someone else can come close, though.

Thanks again for sharing, BROK.

CSR - pants down