OT: OSXA?
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- KVRer
- 15 posts since 29 Apr, 2004
Hey kenn michael how's the macbook with audio apps? How does it compare to a G5?
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- TopModernGeezer
- 2679 posts since 14 Mar, 2001 from Stuttgart, Germany
.. i'm sure you mean this way: http://we-are-billions.com/putte/site/p ... nkey1.htmlµ¿ z3®ø™ wrote:putte, i miss Ur tongue. (no, not THAT way...)
and http://we-are-billions.com/putte/site/p ... nkey2.html ..
all we need is a forum for people making music with osX ..
i'd actually be rather happy to be not depending on tdc and his unreliability when it comes to the site.
that may sounds harsh, but hits my nail on my personal schnitzel.
we had a good time,
now let's move on. so how serious is the plan to set up a new forum? osxaudio.net? osxaudio.org? ..
if i'd be someone having the time and muse to run such a site i'd do it, but thats certainly not my way.
cheers all,
and its nice to see quite some good old refugees posting in this thread ..
putte
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- KVRist
- 171 posts since 3 Feb, 2003
WE ARE the community...
let's put the power into OUR HANDS!
that's where it's always been! i don't think there is any need to wait anymore. let's move foward. this is the internet for goodness-sakes! the land of instant gratification! i'm with putte when he says let's MOVE ON.
what can I do to contribute to the process?
this community has already shown its ability to maintain its heart even when our home disappears. let's build a new one. sure, we won't have the archive of forums and information we had at osxa, but we can create a new one... we can be in control of the servers to make sure that we're never down for more than a few days if problems arise.
i've had enough of jumping back and forth between a million forums - none of which really fit or give me the wide breadth of info that osxa did.
we are not forced into dealing with uncertainty in this situation - let's not sit back to watch and wait for our community home to come back, let's take control and rebuild ourselves!!!!!!
let's put the power into OUR HANDS!
that's where it's always been! i don't think there is any need to wait anymore. let's move foward. this is the internet for goodness-sakes! the land of instant gratification! i'm with putte when he says let's MOVE ON.
what can I do to contribute to the process?
this community has already shown its ability to maintain its heart even when our home disappears. let's build a new one. sure, we won't have the archive of forums and information we had at osxa, but we can create a new one... we can be in control of the servers to make sure that we're never down for more than a few days if problems arise.
i've had enough of jumping back and forth between a million forums - none of which really fit or give me the wide breadth of info that osxa did.
we are not forced into dealing with uncertainty in this situation - let's not sit back to watch and wait for our community home to come back, let's take control and rebuild ourselves!!!!!!
Last edited by kenn michael on Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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- u-he
- 30213 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Well, the more I think about it the more I like the idea of osxaudio.net
Sven, maybe the reason for not being able to log on was related to an update where usernames with crazy characters were screwed. I think there was something like this going some time ago...
Cheers,
Urs
Sven, maybe the reason for not being able to log on was related to an update where usernames with crazy characters were screwed. I think there was something like this going some time ago...
Cheers,
Urs-
- TopModernGeezer
- 2679 posts since 14 Mar, 2001 from Stuttgart, Germany
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- KVRist
- 171 posts since 3 Feb, 2003
tobyond, the macbook is Grrr-ATE!!! (cheezy Tony the Tiger reference)
running Logic 7.2 and Ableton Live with say a bunch of Zebras as Universal Binaries gives me performance similar to a Dual Core 2.3 G5 or my Dual 2.5 G5. since the internal drive in the laptop is a 7200rpm SATA drive, i can run more audio tracks on the macbook than i would be able to off a firewire drive on the G5.
(of course, if you ran an internal SATA on the G5, you'd get performance similar to the macbook)
all in all, the Intel platform for mac is PERFECT for audio!
i have a core duo mini as well, and the two combined make an amazing pair that blow the doors off the Dual G5 at my studio.
i'm just waiting for NI Reaktor and Kontakt, then I'll feel completely switched over for the most part...
but the cool thing is that if I NEED to run NI stuff or stuff that hasn't gone to Intel yet, I just boot my mini into windows XP and run all the stuff there.
crazy times!
running Logic 7.2 and Ableton Live with say a bunch of Zebras as Universal Binaries gives me performance similar to a Dual Core 2.3 G5 or my Dual 2.5 G5. since the internal drive in the laptop is a 7200rpm SATA drive, i can run more audio tracks on the macbook than i would be able to off a firewire drive on the G5.
(of course, if you ran an internal SATA on the G5, you'd get performance similar to the macbook)
all in all, the Intel platform for mac is PERFECT for audio!
i have a core duo mini as well, and the two combined make an amazing pair that blow the doors off the Dual G5 at my studio.
i'm just waiting for NI Reaktor and Kontakt, then I'll feel completely switched over for the most part...
but the cool thing is that if I NEED to run NI stuff or stuff that hasn't gone to Intel yet, I just boot my mini into windows XP and run all the stuff there.
crazy times!
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- KVRer
- 15 posts since 29 Apr, 2004
WOW! How is that? I have heard of little niggles in XP on the Macs, you're the first I've heard who's doing audio.kenn michael wrote:but the cool thing is that if I NEED to run NI stuff or stuff that hasn't gone to Intel yet, I just boot my mini into windows XP and run all the stuff there.
crazy times!
The performance is good to hear, I wonder what sort of performance we'll get from the PowerMacs replacement??
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- KVRer
- 14 posts since 2 Apr, 2006 from Connecticut, USA
Agreed! Count me in if there's any way I can be of service. There's something to be said for an information resource that focuses exclusively on the needs of the creative Mac user.kenn michael wrote:WE ARE the community...
let's put the power into OUR HANDS!
that's where it's always been! i don't think there is any need to wait anymore. let's move foward. this is the internet for goodness-sakes! the land of instant gratification! i'm with putte when he says let's MOVE ON.
what can I do to contribute to the process?
Those of you who dabble in graphic design and digital photography may recall "Mac Design," (I think it's now been rebranded "Layers") a magazine devoted exclusively to the leading high-end graphics and video applications and their use on the Mac. Even though many of those apps were cross-platform, it was great not having to wade through Windows tutorials and commentary in order to find the Mac-specific content. It was all Mac-specific!!
That's what I want in a music and digital audio website. All Mac, all of the time!!
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- KVRer
- 12 posts since 25 Mar, 2006 from Edinburgh, Scotland
I think that setting up an OSX specific forum is a great idea, and I will be happy to pitch in. I am an IT dude in real life so I could have a bash at setting something up. I think we would need to think a bit about scale and commitment levels first (and by 'we' I mean everybody and anybody that wants to take part).
Hell, we could even set up a .Mac group thingy to ponder over ideas.
I think the difficult thing with online communities is the politics involved. Perhaps we should also have a think about how we manage possible strife? Running a benevolent dictatorship is the simplest model but it can often go awry! There is no easy answer. The only suggestion I have up front is that we should make sure that all of the information put onto the board is in the public domain and free for anybody to reuse (there are 'creative commons' licences to cover this type of thing).
What do you think?
D
PS: I am in no way trying to lead the charge or take over here - I will jump on any bandwagon that is travelling in that direction...
Hell, we could even set up a .Mac group thingy to ponder over ideas.
I think the difficult thing with online communities is the politics involved. Perhaps we should also have a think about how we manage possible strife? Running a benevolent dictatorship is the simplest model but it can often go awry! There is no easy answer. The only suggestion I have up front is that we should make sure that all of the information put onto the board is in the public domain and free for anybody to reuse (there are 'creative commons' licences to cover this type of thing).
What do you think?
D
PS: I am in no way trying to lead the charge or take over here - I will jump on any bandwagon that is travelling in that direction...
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- KVRer
- 27 posts since 26 Jul, 2003 from t-dot
well, yes i'm a crazy character, but i always try and be polite. i hardly see that as an excuse to make it impossible for me to log on....Urs wrote:Well, the more I think about it the more I like the idea of osxaudio.net
Sven, maybe the reason for not being able to log on was related to an update where usernames with crazy characters were screwed. I think there was something like this going some time ago...
Cheers,
;) Urs
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machinesworking machinesworking https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=8505 - KVRAF
- 8027 posts since 15 Aug, 2003 from seattle
mcnicks wrote:I think the difficult thing with online communities is the politics involved. Perhaps we should also have a think about how we manage possible strife? Running a benevolent dictatorship is the simplest model but it can often go awry! There is no easy answer. The only suggestion I have up front is that we should make sure that all of the information put onto the board is in the public domain and free for anybody to reuse (there are 'creative commons' licences to cover this type of thing).
What do you think?
D
No censorship, just cleaning up the regular forum for people who want information relevant to the intended subject at hand! Ableton forums has no mods, and eventually things work out, and generally threads about hardware etc. aren't cluttered with name calling, but off topic posts can get hot, point with off topic though is simply that it's off topic, and it's not in anybodies best interest IMO to censer that.
Cut out arguments that get too off topic from hardware or other specific threads, and that's about it.
One thing about little or no moderation is you find people will step up and tell somebody who's acting up that they are being a jerk, especially if there's no hidden agenda, like PC Logic users hating on all mac users, and hiding behind repeated abuse disguised thinly as humor, about your choice of platform.
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machinesworking machinesworking https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=8505
- KVRAF
- 8027 posts since 15 Aug, 2003 from seattle
Hi sven, good to read you too!µ¿ z3®ø™ wrote: well, yes i'm a crazy character, but i always try and be polite. i hardly see that as an excuse to make it impossible for me to log on....
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- KVRer
- 12 posts since 25 Mar, 2006 from Edinburgh, Scotland
I have been thinking some more about this. I think we have to separate out who is technically responsible for maintaining the forum form those who make any political (for wont of a better word) decisions. Actually I had a bit of a vision which involved:
. A board of respected members who are responsible for sheparding the forum and who, ultimately would be elected yearly or something through one of those poll things.
. The techies responsible for the implementation would not be on the board - not ever - so they are only responsible for implementing stuff.
The ultimate threat associated with online resources is that the techies can say "we are taking our ball away" and remove the information with it. So I think that we must guarantee that all of the posts are made regularily available for download (a kind of distributed backup and anti-nuke protection).
Also, perhaps there should be an overall purpose that all this guff is aimed at looking after. I think Putte said earlier that it should all ultimately be about musicmaking. Sounds good to me.
Now... I really hope you all do not think that I am being forward but I also had a brainwave for a name... Its great that Jason has osxaudio.org but I thought hmm musicmaking on macs.. musicmaking on your mac... musiconyourmac.org! So I registered it on a whim and chucked it on my web host.
What'chall think? If you think I am being too forward and stuff just say - I thought I might as well do some techie stuff because that is what I am good at, and coz it might prompt us, as a community, into action.
. A board of respected members who are responsible for sheparding the forum and who, ultimately would be elected yearly or something through one of those poll things.
. The techies responsible for the implementation would not be on the board - not ever - so they are only responsible for implementing stuff.
The ultimate threat associated with online resources is that the techies can say "we are taking our ball away" and remove the information with it. So I think that we must guarantee that all of the posts are made regularily available for download (a kind of distributed backup and anti-nuke protection).
Also, perhaps there should be an overall purpose that all this guff is aimed at looking after. I think Putte said earlier that it should all ultimately be about musicmaking. Sounds good to me.
Now... I really hope you all do not think that I am being forward but I also had a brainwave for a name... Its great that Jason has osxaudio.org but I thought hmm musicmaking on macs.. musicmaking on your mac... musiconyourmac.org! So I registered it on a whim and chucked it on my web host.
What'chall think? If you think I am being too forward and stuff just say - I thought I might as well do some techie stuff because that is what I am good at, and coz it might prompt us, as a community, into action.
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- u-he
- 30213 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Heh, totally agree! - I just wanted to say that it might have been a technical accident (screwed characters during a database backup) rather than an actual ban. But I don't know, it's just an idea, because I can't imagine why any mod would've banned U.µ¿ z3®ø™ wrote:well, yes i'm a crazy character, but i always try and be polite. i hardly see that as an excuse to make it impossible for me to log on....
Regarding moderation, I'm not for no-mod-at-all. I think that trolls (remember big M?) and fakes (_Samantha18) should be kept out, as well as links to warez etc.
Technically it would be cool to have the entrance done in Wordpress, integrated with phpBB for the forums. That means, same username & login for both. This way people can simply submit articles and news. And we could eventually write comments to articles again (I loved that stuff back in the days, but it went away due to ugly anonymous postings).
The number of posts and/or ranking in the forum could then increase the mod level in the Wordpress layer, i.e. people with 100+ posts can write comments directly, people with 1000+ posts can submit & review articles directly etc.. Thus the community would automatically generate new admins. Much like a Wiki, but based on actual activity of its members.
Cheers,
Urs-
- KVRer
- 12 posts since 25 Mar, 2006 from Edinburgh, Scotland
WordPress would definitely make managing the 'front' of the web site a lot easier. Integrating it with, say, phpBB might be a bit fiddly but it is certainly doable. As for linking it to post count - didn't we have enough nonsense on the forum for hijacking without rewarding that kind of behaviourUrs wrote:Technically it would be cool to have the entrance done in Wordpress, integrated with phpBB for the forums.
