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Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:26 am

I plead guilty

KernelG · Post by **KernelG** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:39 am

If we are going to integrate a forum and a news page, there are next-gen open-source packages out now which do this all at once, some natively, some by add-ons. I was just looking at a couple last week (not related to this situation)..

http://www.joomla.org/

http://drupal.org/

I kinda like Joomla myself, even though I'm well-versed in mod'ing good old phpBB for things like RSS in/out, email notification, calendar, front page summaries, etc. (I also know that a mod'ed phpBB is a pain to keep updated.)

mcnicks · Post by **mcnicks** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:56 am

KernelG wrote:I kinda like Joomla myself, even though I'm well-versed in mod'ing good old phpBB for things like RSS in/out, email notification, calendar, front page summaries, etc. (I also know that a mod'ed phpBB is a pain to keep updated.)

Both look interesting. On the one hand it is good to be brave and implement new things, but on the other I know that implementing newer technology can become an end in itself. I totally agree that updating phpBB can be a PITA. So lets not mod it! I mean, its lovely having a beautiful, well designed, integrated environment but why don't we get something up and running quickly and securely?

I am trying to avoid a major amount of paper filing in the office today so I have started to throw together some WordPress and phpBB (at least it will serve as a strawman).

willb · Post by **willb** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:58 am

mcnicks wrote: am trying to avoid a major amount of paper filing in the office today so I have started to throw together some WordPress and phpBB (at least it will serve as a strawman).

Why not use bbPress? (By the way, createdigitalmusic.com just switched away from Mambo/Joomla because it was such a pain to mod.)

mcnicks · Post by **mcnicks** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:05 pm

willb wrote:Why not use bbPress?

Never thought of that - cheers. I will have a fiddle and see what I can get working.

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KernelG · Post by **KernelG** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:09 pm

Oh yeah, I see CDM is using a combo of WordPress and phpBB now. Very cool! I remember reading how unhappy they were with the old system, but didn't recall what it was.

I see bbPress is still alpha, though..

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:55 pm

Urs wrote:Regarding moderation, I'm not for no-mod-at-all. I think that trolls (remember big M?) and fakes (_Samantha18) should be kept out, as well as links to warez etc.

It's pretty wild how well it works at the Ableton forum though. A wArz user will appear every once in a while, and we will simply chase them away. Some troll will appear, and after people stop responding to it, it goes away. Basically if a crowd of devoted people are interested in keeping a place clean, they rise to the challenge.
Consider Spain in the thirties when the Anarchists took over nearly two thirds of the country. First thing they would do is remove the police force and instal a volunteer one. Here in the US teenage kids turn to gangs etc. what if they had the opportunity to go to a local community center and sign up to patrol for the night with ten - twenty other people?

I'm not saying zero moderation is the answer, just really light moderation like Jason hyerstay, Toysun, or Big Daddy were wont to.

Anyway kind of cool to see that people are interested.

µ¿ z3®ø™ · Post by **µ¿ z3®ø™** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:53 pm

in the very early days of OSXA there really wasn't much moderation. that fell squarely on the shoulders of the members and it seemed to work well. trolls were outed fairly quickly as being what they were and there seemed to be a certain respect amongst everyone there. peeps like levon seemed to get under some folks skin, but apart from calling oink a 'liar' on a single occasion, i felt most of the problem wasn't levon, but the poor reactions that some had towards some of his views and the way he expressed them. U're never gonna find a group of creative people that agree on everything. the trick is creating an environment that fosters respect and open discourse. for me, the earlier days of OSXA were totally unique in this regard.
there are other sites where information is exchanged and there seems to be very few 'skirmishes' between the members. the gearslutz forums come to mind as well as the gear page (for guitar nerds). what was unique about OSXA was that the community not only weighed in on the techy stuff but also political and other difficult things as well as the infamous forum for hijacking. perhaps it was this loosey-goosey ethos and it's resulting backlash that changed OSXA. no matter.
i know i'm meandering here. i think my point is that there is the axiom of those that fail to learn from the past are doomed to make the same mistakes again.
clearly moderation is needed on some level. the problem is choosing mods that will not let this power go to their heads (and egos) and create an environment where moderation becomes personal. now, lest i be villified for dumping on the mods at OSXA, i would say that the overwhelming majority of them were fair and there was no question of them becoming 'personal' in the wielding of their power. but it really only takes one bad mod to spoil many individuals experience on a forum.

tobyond · Post by **tobyond** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:54 pm

Hey, I know it's been mentioned but http://www.osxrecording.com/ looks pretty nice

donaldm · Post by **donaldm** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:55 pm

anon · Post by **anon** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:18 pm

Hey everyone, I have spoken to tdc, and he asked me to apologize for the delay, it has been unavoidable, the new site is still coming, but just for now he is going to temporarily put the old site on the new server, this should be done in the next 30-hr's, so lets just wait a bit longer and relax, and hopefully we will all be together again in our favorite place, tdc is doing all this whilst traveling around the world, he is currently in england, so it's not been an easy thing.

beej · Post by **beej** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:53 pm

Yeah, the internet does make remote administration difficult, eh..? It's not like you can just turn your computer on and log from anywhere... er..

anon · Post by **anon** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:47 pm

beej wrote:Yeah, the internet does make remote administration difficult, eh..? It's not like you can just turn your computer on and log from anywhere... er..

I think it was a little bit more than administration, anyway it's easy to condemn, but sometimes life comes first,
I admit i think tdc could have done better, but then as I say he has a life, I have missed many dealines in my time, it's easily done when life is throwing challenges at you.

loophead · Post by **loophead** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:07 pm

True life comes first but this is the same foolishness which happened last time. He should have kept it up until the port was complete. My two cents...

anon · Post by **anon** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:54 pm

loophead wrote:True life comes first but this is the same foolishness which happened last time. He should have kept it up until the port was complete. My two cents...

Well you say foolish, But if he was doing with his life what mattered the most for him and his family, then I say he was wise, sometimes it's easy to pass judgement, but it's not allways as it may at first seem, I know it's been a bit inconvenient for us to have had to wait, But maybe it was a good thing on some level, it certainly wasn't bad for anyone, tdc did what he had to do, and only he knows why, thats it, was it foolish? impossible to make that judgement with out being in his life and shoes.

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