harmonizer vst or dx plugin??

[Hink]

Yeah, i saw imogen heap on tv a few weeks ago and was reminded that theres still no good vst intelligent harmonizers.

theres lots of parallel harmonizers and lots of doublers but it seems after decabuddy, which is a pretty good intelligent harmonizer that can load harmony maps, everyone gave up on coding one.

unless i missed something?

yeah but since this thread started Akai got bought by Numark and dropped decabuddy...

[Tony Ostinato]

Exactly, and perhaps im wrong but isnt choirboy a doubler? it doesnt do mappable harmonies does it?

my wish would b a good 4 to 8 part harmonizer with harmony mapping that could load harmony maps from hardware units like the digitech ips-33b and vocalist series and also the TC stuff.

seems developers have given up on intelligent harmonizers, a sad thing really.

[Hink]

Exactly, and perhaps im wrong but isnt choirboy a doubler? it doesnt do mappable harmonies does it?

my wish would b a good 4 to 8 part harmonizer with harmony mapping that could load harmony maps from hardware units like the digitech ips-33b and vocalist series and also the TC stuff.

seems developers have given up on intelligent harmonizers, a sad thing really.

choirboy can track to midi...

[Tony Ostinato]

Sure enough, they had me fooled by the name. I will have to try it, it doesnt fulfill everything but maybe running a few of em and doing automapping with a pitch to midi plugin and note to chord midi plugin i can assemble a working intelligent harmonizer.


is that all there is then, any others? still pretty sad. i wonder what imogen uses, it doesnt say anywhere....

[Hink]

Sure enough, they had me fooled by the name. I will have to try it, it doesnt fulfill everything but maybe running a few of em and doing automapping with a pitch to midi plugin and note to chord midi plugin i can assemble a working intelligent harmonizer.


is that all there is then, any others? still pretty sad. i wonder what imogen uses, it doesnt say anywhere....

tbh I have a few things, I also have clone ensemble and the AVOX suite...they all have their strong points, but choirboy and CE come in at 25 bux each...neither may be perfect, but they are surely worth the money and you get some great creative tools. I find that vox tracks should be dry when using vox fx, add delays and reverbs after...

[Tony Ostinato]

ages old wisdom.

that being said you can check out imagen heps song "hide and seek" its an acapella vocal thru a nice harmonizer and/or vocoder rig.

Id sure like something like the old digitech ips-33b and its many heirs by IVL and TC, where you can play a note into it and it does 4 voice harmony based on a harmony map you input.

if choir boy knows the input note, and it must if theres midi tranpose control in the form that you can sing a note into it and hit the keyboard note that you want and it goes there, than its an intelligent harmonizer by definition. It might not be that hard to add on the part where it takes input note and references it to the harmony map. I've never seen one that could do the former and not the latter.

in the 80's i did some live horn section stuff using harmonizers to turn a 3 pc section into a 6 to 9 piece. it was hard because the programming sucked and i did an editor for genedit on the atari ST that made it easier but it was still a growing hassle to deal with on gigs.

now im considering a laptop and doing some of the same but one of the things holding me back is theres no equivalant in plugibns, decabuddy is as close as there is still.

[Space Boy]

if choir boy knows the input note, and it must if theres midi tranpose control in the form that you can sing a note into it and hit the keyboard note that you want and it goes there, than its an intelligent harmonizer by definition. It might not be that hard to add on the part where it takes input note and references it to the harmony map. I've never seen one that could do the former and not the latter.

Check out the instructions for Choir Boy. For the Midi control I have implemented an approach where the pitch of 3 Midi voices, under keyboard control, are referenced to a 4th Midi track. So, if you have a Midi track that matches the melody of the audio track you wish to harmonize, Choir Boy uses this track as a reference to the pitch of the audio track. This pitch is subtracted from the audio (leaving it pitchless). The 3 remaining Midi controls then re-pitch the pitchless audio to absolute pitch determined by the Midi notes/chords played. In this way, you can harmonize an audio melody.

I have to say that pitch to midi detection is harder than you would expect (to do robustly). I have been working on this functionality, off and on for about 2 years. When I have it working good enough, it will become part of Choir Boy.

[metalifuxx]

I know its not vst/dx, but
http://www.eventide.com/plugins/
If you have a pro tools TDM system, they have thier famed Harmonizer in plugin form

[Tony Ostinato]

and the new TC harmony4 for TDM and poco.