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Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:29 pm

diverdee wrote:Live's is easy also, just click, move the controller & bob's your uncle.
I would like to be able to assign multiple cc's to one controller though - even if through some kind of midi plug in.

Easily done in Tracktion. Maybe T's is easier than I thought.

Greg

highkoo · Post by **highkoo** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:30 am

FLs way is completely painless, almost all the time. really, they should all do something like that....

what i find *really* cool though, is the 'last parameter tweaked' option thats in FL now....

you can instantly do... anything, to the last control you touched, including attach it to midi with two clicks... i love it!

peace.

onyxashanti · Post by **onyxashanti** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:33 am

i'm in love with the FLS method. i've been trying to evangelize it to other wind controller players for years. it's amazing especially for wind controller based sound design becuse of the prgrammability of the curves. nothing else does it to this level, really.

onyx

Maniah · Post by **Maniah** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:35 am

I agree with Plogue Bidule's Midi Learn function being the easiest/quickest way for assigning CCs. I have Live and what i can't stand is i cannot assign directly from the VST's GUI.

bluedad · Post by **bluedad** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:45 am

I think XT's way of assigning cc's works pretty good, not quite click and twist a knob but it works!

Maniah · Post by **Maniah** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:52 am

bluedad wrote:I think XT's way of assigning cc's works pretty good, not quite click and twist a knob but it works!

I'm not keen on EXT's way of assigning CCs but that may change with XT2. *crossing fingers*

bluedad · Post by **bluedad** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:03 am

Former Pharaoh wrote:
bluedad wrote:I think XT's way of assigning cc's works pretty good, not quite click and twist a knob but it works!
I'm not keen on EXT's way of assigning CCs but that may change with XT2. *crossing fingers*

yeah well, perhaps I should have prefaced my statement by noting that I'm a Cubase user.

Maniah · Post by **Maniah** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:21 am

bluedad wrote:
Former Pharaoh wrote:
bluedad wrote:I think XT's way of assigning cc's works pretty good, not quite click and twist a knob but it works!
I'm not keen on EXT's way of assigning CCs but that may change with XT2. *crossing fingers*
yeah well, perhaps I should have prefaced my statement by noting that I'm a Cubase user.

I regress, I have used Logic. God bless Ext.

robenestobenz · Post by **robenestobenz** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:20 pm

Ableton Live without a doubt.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:37 am

Apparently at least SOMEONE has doubts, thereby proving that it's horses for courses, of course, unless your horse is a horse, of course...etc.:

Former Pharaoh wrote:I have Live and what i can't stand is i cannot assign directly from the VST's GUI.

der_gary · Post by **der_gary** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 7:56 pm

robenestobenz wrote:Ableton Live without a doubt.

... I can't imagine it being any simpler than Lives method, with a MIDI, and/or keyboard (computer) - button.

Landphil · Post by **Landphil** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:08 pm

Rozzer wrote:Cubase's midi control is HORRID

Agreed. The whole Generic Remote thing is a pain in the ass!

I like Chainer's learn feature, so I'll generally load Chainer as an instrument and open whatever vst I need to controll within it.

TeeLangSun · Post by **TeeLangSun** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:56 pm

Jason Brian Merrill wrote:FL's is the best I have found so far.

Samplitude's isnt too bad either.

I agree, except that with other hosts you get direct support for the modwheel. Not in FL. It's possible to set it up, but it's not the kind of thing you'd expect to have to "set up". You expect that the modwheel will just work if you've used other sequencers. Add multi-timbral synths to this puzzle and the plot thickens. In addition, mileage varies with different plugins. I spent a good amount of time with Hypersonic and Halion in FL 6 the other day trying to get a reliable modwheel setup going. In the end, I got them to work, but decided that it was way too much trouble to do it on the additional channels of these two multi-timbral synths. Setting up the modwheel to work on the instrument on Channel 1, does not mean that it works on the other 16 possible channels. But since I've decided to dedicate some time to FL Studio (a break from Cubase SX3), I set up both synths for a single stereo out. I'll have to load another instance of them if I need them again, and I think that the modwheel may work if the next instances are on channel 1.

Anyway, I think Sonar has the best method of setting up midi controllers between Sonar and Cubase. Cubase's method is so bad that it's not even worth discussing. I think that's the one important thing that Sonar does better than Cubase SX.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:35 pm

Getting back to this - I've found Chainer's method is quite good (call up the generic plugin view and right click learn) but as for eXT and Tracktion I still can't seem to find a way to control a slider in Absynth. In eXT I can't find any midi learn options and in Tracktion the options call up a dialogue with lots of CC information but I'd rather just be able to point to what I want to control with the mouse, not try to figure out what function matches up to what number cc.

What we could do with is a list of hosts and midi learn "how to" methods for each all in one place. I don't see how to do this in Orion Platinum 6 either. Don't have Cubase, FL studio or Ableton live so can't comment on those (though I have tried the FL demo in the past, can't recall which version, and found it a pita to set up anything in - even sustain pedal and modwheel wouldn't work without fiddling around).

Jason Brian Merrill · Post by **Jason Brian Merrill** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:34 pm

the modewheel thing in FL is sort of crappy. Honestly, mod pitch and sustain should just pass through.

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