Do you want Scarbee KGB or KVC working on Receptor?

[doncl]

Read today's (April 19) entry at http://www.scarbee.com/. If they get 35 binding preorders, they will do the port to Kontakt format, rendering it usable on Receptor. I think Mr. Scarbye is inviting us, a user community, to step up to the plate. Either we're willing to pay for this, or we're not.

If we (as a group of users) can't come up with 35 people willing to pony up for new licenses, then I don't blame them for not doing it. Why should they do this work, and endure the perceived greater exposure to piracy, unless we're willing to pay?

I am sure there are lots of folks out there who already have existing PC/Mac licenses in their Syncrosoft dongle that don't believe they should buy another license. And that's fine, and you're welcome to your viewpoint. But you don't deserve to have it running on Receptor then, in my view.

For my part, I think Scarbee deserves additional financial incentive to do this working, and I've already emailed my preorder commitment to them.

For me, the availability of the Scarbee Clavinet on Receptor is a gating factor for a Receptor purchase. With it, I will buy Receptor. Without it, I will build a Windows rackmount box and run it with an OpenLabs Controller One. I'm just going to wait and see which way the wind blows on this before doing anything.

[Hybernation]

Read today's (April 19) entry at http://www.scarbee.com/. If they get 35 binding preorders, they will do the port to Kontakt format, rendering it usable on Receptor. I think Mr. Scarbye is inviting us, a user community, to step up to the plate. Either we're willing to pay for this, or we're not.

If we (as a group of users) can't come up with 35 people willing to pony up for new licenses, then I don't blame them for not doing it. Why should they do this work, and endure the perceived greater exposure to piracy, unless we're willing to pay?

I am sure there are lots of folks out there who already have existing PC/Mac licenses in their Syncrosoft dongle that don't believe they should buy another license. And that's fine, and you're welcome to your viewpoint. But you don't deserve to have it running on Receptor then, in my view.

For my part, I think Scarbee deserves additional financial incentive to do this working, and I've already emailed my preorder commitment to them.

For me, the availability of the Scarbee Clavinet on Receptor is a gating factor for a Receptor purchase. With it, I will buy Receptor. Without it, I will build a Windows rackmount box and run it with an OpenLabs Controller One. I'm just going to wait and see which way the wind blows on this before doing anything.

I've been very disappointed with NI's DFD in Kontakt/Kompakt. Works great on a PC, sucks on the receptor. I assume the Scarabee samples are pretty large and would require DFD, hence I'm probably not interested.

Also, just as an aside, I put NI's Elektric Piano on Receptor, and they have issued "light" versions of all of their programs which will load into memory. I'm pretty happy with these Rhodes, Wurlies and Clav sounds. The "Dry" versions sound pretty killer with Guitar Rig, too.

I'm not sure I understand the "piracy" thing. They could release it as a "Kompakt" instrument, and NOT be exposed to piracy, and you could still use it in Kontakt2. Perhaps they use features Kompakt doesn't support, though, not sure.

[doncl]

How does DFD suck on Receptor? Is it just poor performance, manifested as clicks and pops, or what?

I wonder why Ivory works so well, and DFD doesn't?

[Hybernation]

How does DFD suck on Receptor? Is it just poor performance, manifested as clicks and pops, or what?

With it on, and tuned to avoid pops/clicks/dropouts and with decent latency, it just hogs the CPU completely. I don't understand it at all. Completely disappointing...works so well on my Dells.

I wonder why Ivory works so well, and DFD doesn't?

Well, that's the $349 question for sure! But everyone swears by Ivory, both on and off Receptor.

[c3boy]

Well I have a real Clavinet D6 and also NI Elektrik, and the NI clav is not too good in my opinion. The scarbee clavinet sounds awesome. Too few velocity layers on Elektrik. I also have RSP73 on Kompakt, and running the FULL 12 layer rhodes brings down my 2GB Receptor to 24% memory, which is getting a bit low to run other things, especially sample based. So I turned on DFD using the same 12 layer preset and it barely touches my CPU meter. (Not sure where the CPU hog statement comes in?) It does occasionally click, and I say 'occasionally' and that's just me trying one of the preset DFD settings in Kompakt. Im sure if there was an optimum setting, it would'nt be a problem.

Im going to commit to a preorder purely for the clavinet. I can't be bothered lugging my D6 round and taking up space where a midi controller normally goes.

[PhilAiken]

So I turned on DFD using the same 12 layer preset and it barely touches my CPU meter. (Not sure where the CPU hog statement comes in?) It does occasionally click, and I say 'occasionally' and that's just me trying one of the preset DFD settings in Kompakt. Im sure if there was an optimum setting, it would'nt be a problem.

You wouldn't think so. But alas, there doesn't seem to be an optimum setting, and even with REALLY small sample sets, if you have DFD on, you will glitch. I should say, if I have DFD on, I will glitch. It will be playing along beautifully, and then out of nowhere: a spike. In some cases that is fine for the studio, because you can go back and fix it, but I can't ever see myself using NI DFD in a live setting.
All of that said, you should still get the Scarbee stuff, because you can customize the sample sets in Kontakt and make it work without DFD for live use if you so choose.

If anyone does have the magic DFD settings for piano or electric piano, POST THEM PLEASE!! One thing I want to try is to determine what Ivory's default settings are and try those.

[Hybernation]

So I turned on DFD using the same 12 layer preset and it barely touches my CPU meter. (Not sure where the CPU hog statement comes in?)

Well, what I said was probably not qualified enough. The CPU Hog syndrome only come into play for me when I'm playing a huge SampleTek piano such as TSO or Black Grand Close. These are way to big to fit memory and have very long sample lengths (and I can't remember how many layers, but double it for sustain on/off).

I should just stop my bitchin' and buy Ivory I know

And Phil is 100% correct...there just doesn't seem to be any "optimal DFD setting"

[PhilAiken]

I wish there was some way to load other sampled pianos into Ivory's engine!!! Or to graft Ivory's DFD
functionality onto Konatkt. Or something. The difference in efficiency on Receptor really is astounding.

[doncl]

bummer....I'm starting to lean towards a maxed-out Windows rackmount with RAID plus OpenLabs Controller One and RME HDSP audio hardware. I'm pretty confident this would work fine.

Disregarding price and religious opposition to Windows, what makes Receptor so compelling by comparison?

[Mr.Scarbee]

Read today's (April 19) entry at http://www.scarbee.com/. If they get 35 binding preorders, they will do the port to Kontakt format, rendering it usable on Receptor. I think Mr. Scarbye is inviting us, a user community, to step up to the plate. Either we're willing to pay for this, or we're not.

If the 35 Preorders will happen, I will probably release a special 16 bit version - for receptor.

Both 24 and 16 bit versions will have Kontakt and Kompakt versions. Kompakt shoulkd work best in receptor.

I have already built a special version of KGB (Receptor)for George Laks who used it on Lenny Krawitz tour.

[analogaddict]

Very interesting; I'd love to have the Scarbee samples on my Receptor, and getting a customised version from the manufacturer would be the best way, I suppose. Where do i sign up?

[c3boy]

Very interesting; I'd love to have the Scarbee samples on my Receptor, and getting a customised version from the manufacturer would be the best way, I suppose. Where do i sign up?

Go to the Scarbee website www.scarbee.com

[analogaddict]

Ah, of course... Thanks!

[Mr.Scarbee]

Since we often receive requests for a Kontakt version (K2 Sample Library) of Vintage Keyboard Collection and Keyboard Gold Bundle we have considered a release, but so far it has been kept back because of the serious risc of piracing and low sales.

We therefore will offer to release product if we get more than 25 binding PREORDERS. If we however do not receive these numbers it will not be interesting for us to finalize and release this product. Both VKC and KGB could be ready for release in few weeks.

Price of VKC will be $299 and KGB will sell for $399. If you want to PREORDER it must be based on this price and not on a future "SALE" price.

Please send a mail to shop@scarbee.com and write: KGB Kontakt - PREORDER or VKC Kontakt - PREORDER depending on what product you want to order. If we don't get the right number of preorders release will be cancelled and you will not buy anything. If you at some point regeret the preorder - please send a mail with Header: REGRET.

VKC crossgrade will be $99 (it will not be KGB since you can use VKFX from your KGB version). Note that You can NOT resell your Halion VKC or KGB as this is against the user License Agreement (Both Scarbee and Steinberg ones)

Please send a mail to shop@scarbee.com and write: VKC Kontakt - PREORDER (crossgrade)

By looking at slow numbers it doesn't really look as a PROTECTED sample library version is realistic as I will just loose money on this project, so it will be an un-protected version if ever released - therefore price is back to higher one.

I also consider just to release N-HP for $59 and D6-C (all 8 sounds) for $199.

If all VKC instruments were bought seperately it would cost $169 (RSP73) + $169 (WEP) + $59 (N-HP) + $199 D6-C (all 8 sounds) = $596 - so you save $297 (VKC K2 is $299), which is a discount of 50%!!

With KGB you save 50% too: $596 (VKC sample libs) + $199 (VKFX) = $795 - so you save $297 (KGB K2 is $399), which is a discount of 50%!!

[c3boy]

Hi Mr Scarbee,

I have already placed a preorder for the VKGB, but I realise now that there is no mention of VAT. Is the VAT included in the prices? I would probably have to cancel if I had to pay 25% VAT on top.

Thanks