Voxengo Marquis Compressor VST 1.4 released

[LiteOn]

Hmmmmmm, I'm following "those" threads for days now. In between, after having realized both of you (Torben & Aleksey) apparently had calmed down to a certain level and removed all cross posts that could have been - or have been - considered to be insulting ("thread high-jacking"), I thought, fine they finally managed to return to a way of discussion which IS appropriate to their "level" and reputation. Now, again I'm getting back impression that you're talking at cross-purpose, mixing up facts (wich is good) and emotions (which is bad, particularly in economy).

Guys, you don't need that - at all! I do have a scientific background, I do know what it means to have to defend your own work (read: methods, approaches = algorithms etc.) you have spent a tremendous amount of time and dedication on. But please, treat the emotional things on a private channel and leave this public one for the technical discussion (which I want to be continued..). I'm all for the latter because it is instructional and, yeah, way more "scientific".

Remind: Your wakling on a small edge between being right and loosing a bit of face.


cheers,
LiteOn

[bmanic]

Oh btw, as an interesting experiment I suggest you guys rip one of the current top 20 US singles from the CD with some quality CD ripper software and then open up the file in WaveLab or similar and check for overshoots. As incredible as it sounds the most I've seen is +3dBFS. My little CD player (which is rather old) and my boombox plays these still without any noticeable "crack!" or "pop!" sounds.

Cheers!
bManic

The only thing that can give +3dB FS is a pure square wave (or DC) - nothing else. So it only depends on your meter how long time there should have been a square wave before it shows +3dB FS.

Yes, and there are square waves but they are only on transients that are very short. It's only peak value so a couple of samples (well, maybe 100 or 200 on the biggest flat-tops ). Wavelabs meters are oversampled I think, at least the RME ones are.

I agree though, it's insane how far some people (usually record company A&R man) push the volume war.

Cheers!
bManic

[pdxindy]

JumpingJackFlash, we are working on Mac OS X here.. VST is already working. We'll get to AU soon.

That is good news! Got some sort of time frame and release order for your products?

[PeterL]

I also own Voxengo & Kjaerhus products, both compressors, both EQs. I have also tested both mastering limiters. You guys are both brilliant developers !! The GCO and the Marquis are both totally awesome and kick ass in different ways, as do the EQs.

I think both mastering limiters sound awesome, again each have their place, their advantages / disadvantages.

So let's all be happy and get back to making music .. and you guys making great products.



Cheers
Fots

I also think the same.
Like any animal from the same species has its own character, the same can be said about your products.
You both Voxengo & Kjaerhus offer great products to fair prices with great support !!
From my first view it looks like a fight, but maybe it's just a harsh way to tell each other how to improve the product .
You are unbeatable if you work together someday (people, imagine the products ).

[RoyNoahJones]

Torben added professional & great looking plugins as an extra over his top quality plugins. Aleksey thinks he has the ultimate taste and always right on his choices
and the world should follow his rules, and always adapts his stuff to match the competition, but not a single step to take care of his gui, his plugs are great, but better left hidden when u have clients around. that's a waste of time if you ask me,
that's maybe a great pride to be involved from graphic to algo, but man your stuff is UGLY... so is the back stabbing on competitors...

[bmanic]

.. except if you read trough the thread(s) you'd realise that he hasn't exactly been backstabbing but what would you know, you've obviously made up your mind already.

- bManic

[popsych]

.... or except you would prefer paying more for graphics. He can't do it better on his own. Him hiring a graphic artist to do it would raise costs. I buy the plugin for the sound and the logicality and ease-of-use of th GUI. Not how flashy it looks. Now if it looked flashy fine. But if that can't be done i'm not bothered and it would be unreasonable for me to ask for better graphics. you wanna see overpriced shitty graphics? Go http://www.bltgroup.com/sounddesignersb ... lugin.html. For that price the GUI should be gold plated with knobs in platinum.

[Aleksey Vaneev]

JumpingJackFlash, we are working on Mac OS X here.. VST is already working. We'll get to AU soon.

That is good news! Got some sort of time frame and release order for your products?

pdxindy, there is no timeframe for the release... But I hope it won't take too much time.

In the mean time I'm also trying to get better graphics. So, hopefully this tradition - to put down Voxengo products due to its visual look will fade away. Maybe they'll traditionally start to persuade Kjaerhus on this matter after that?

[pitchdrifter]

Just increase the price of the plugins tenfold then you won't have the musixmaker people complain about the visuals anymore.

On a more serious note though, if a client judges one's work by the visuals of the equipment used one might want to reconsider working with that particular client. Also if you label yourself with 'engineer' 'producer' or even 'musician' you shouldn't give a rat's ass about eye candy. Beyond a well workable design visuals will not improve your sound save you any time or let you charge your clients higher fees.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[martian]

edit: posted in wrong thread

[DuX]

On the contrary, I think it's the one of [two] best sample converters on PC.

what's the other?

I used to have r8brain pro but sold it ages ago before going mac and I don't think I can afford it again right now..i sthe other alternative cheaper? (sorry to hijack)

Actually I should of said r8brain is the best software converter on PC. The other solution is software/hardware solution - Weiss sample converter and it's rather expensive. So in the light of my pocket, r8brain is here to serve and I don't bother too much with anything else. I'm not that familiar with Macs, but I think there is a very good sample converter for Mac, that's not available on PC, but ccan't remember which one... in Final Cut pro, maybe? There was a converter shoot-out once...

Sorry for hi-jacking, too, this might deserve another thread maybe ?

btw. I wouldn't change much in Voxengo GUI's... their sound and usability is what counts. Only, sometimes, cryptic names for the parameters can be a problem and nothing else.

Cheers!

edit: I googled the prosoundweb forum and found out that AudioEase Barbabatch is the best sample rate converter for Mac, and Peak 5 isn't bad either according to their rather sophisticated shootout.

[suthnear]

In the mean time I'm also trying to get better graphics

Aleksey, FWIW I really like the look of your plugs. There's something soothing about the colour...

[defjamm]

On the contrary, I think it's the one of [two] best sample converters on PC.

what's the other?

I used to have r8brain pro but sold it ages ago before going mac and I don't think I can afford it again right now..i sthe other alternative cheaper? (sorry to hijack)

Actually I should of said r8brain is the best software converter on PC. The other solution is software/hardware solution - Weiss sample converter and it's rather expensive. So in the light of my pocket, r8brain is here to serve and I don't bother too much with anything else. I'm not that familiar with Macs, but I think there is a very good sample converter for Mac, that's not available on PC, but ccan't remember which one... in Final Cut pro, maybe? There was a converter shoot-out once...

Sorry for hi-jacking, too, this might deserve another thread maybe ?

Cheers!

http://src.infinitewave.ca/

weiss saracon is pure software i think, but why care, r8brain even outperforms it in the passband and transition-tests in ultra steep mode at a fraction of the cost. but they haven't updated the site since some time now.

[pdxindy]

JumpingJackFlash, we are working on Mac OS X here.. VST is already working. We'll get to AU soon.

That is good news! Got some sort of time frame and release order for your products?

pdxindy, there is no timeframe for the release... But I hope it won't take too much time.

In the mean time I'm also trying to get better graphics. So, hopefully this tradition - to put down Voxengo products due to its visual look will fade away. Maybe they'll traditionally start to persuade Kjaerhus on this matter after that?

Yeah, the graphics could be sharper, better colour scheme and more visually descriptive or differentiated. They could be more 'pro' looking (better design) but also more effective at communicating info swiftly at the glance.

If the gui graphics on your site are accurate (not scaled) then there are some aliasing issues. On the Elephant gui, all the control names have that indented look (emboss). I find it looks blurry and not so easy to read at a glance, especially since you picked a more stylized font. The Elephant name is italicized and is a different font (together making it not integrate into the visual appearance) and it looks blurry.

RMS, PRMS etc each have values, but the eye does not differentiate easily between the descriptor and the value

I might lose the drop shadow in the 4 rotary knobs, or make it more subtle and softer, otherwise it competes as a knob direction indicator. Also, the knobs need a clearer dot.

Appearance will sway people for sure and the Voxengo gui's do not equal the sonic quality that many people attest to.

Looking forward to your MacOS ports. I'll be buying for sure.