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Ian SDZH · Post by **Ian SDZH** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:41 pm

Sorry, mate, but what a load of pompous, posturing, backwards-looking bollocks.

Amen to that !

proletkult · Post by **proletkult** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:41 pm

Certainly the nicest bitch about everybody else bitchin' I've read here. And now if you'd like to move onto George Bush I look forward to your comments.

respirator · Post by **respirator** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:43 pm

Cabinfever: Thanks for the OT. Interesting points that Whyterabbit shoot down with great accuracy and vitriol.

I actually think that the technological development is bringing music back as a medium for (almost) everyone. Not for the few selects of the recording business. While it's bad news for the dreams of stardom, it's great for music. So maybe musicians will once again be happy amateurs or low paid (global) village entertainers. The "canned" music of commercialism will hopefully fade away. At least you have many, many options to avoid it without being deprived of quality music.

stevieb19 · Post by **stevieb19** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:45 pm

Cabinfever wrote:
Sorry, mate, but what a load of pompous, posturing, backwards-looking bollocks.

Harsh but fair

Vinz · Post by **Vinz** » Tue May 16, 2006 1:05 pm

herodotus wrote: You can, in fact, do just about anything.

Just wanted to comment on that.
In my case I think it generates more frustration than pleasure.

And seeing the amount of people reflecting on how they just scratch all the possibilities without getting anything done I think am not the only one.

But this is true for the whole consumerist society we live in.
I feel like I'm overloaded all the time by everything available in every domain and everything I can do.

So maybe only a few people are feeling this way, but personnally I think I would have been a lot happier if I was born before all this.

birrbits · Post by **birrbits** » Tue May 16, 2006 1:11 pm

ahh so we all just rest on the laurels of our forefathers?
no further development neccesary?

bitching is the great motivator

GreyLion · Post by **GreyLion** » Tue May 16, 2006 1:12 pm

Fun thread, so far.

Cabinfever's mistake was posting his counter-rant in a forum that's, by definition, fueled by people who are deeply into technology, and, on an almost cellular level, reject the idea that its mere existence could be bad.

I'm one of that type of person, of course. But I get his argument that technology can get in the way of community. Perhaps more precisely, technology allows more and more people to cram into denser and larger urban environments and lose the village or tribal culture that promotes the sort of interpersonal connectedness he's talking about.

Nowadays, we're transitioning more and more to virtual communities of interest via the net and other ancillary technologies, such as podcasting. I don't know my next door neighbor, but, at KVR, I hang out with, and even occasionally share music with, you guys who live around the world.

brambos · Post by **brambos** » Tue May 16, 2006 1:12 pm

Vinz wrote:
herodotus wrote: You can, in fact, do just about anything.
Just wanted to comment on that.
In my case I think it generates more frustration than pleasure.

And seeing the amount of people reflecting on how they just scratch all the possibilities without getting anything done I think am not the only one.

We recently had a discussion about this in the hosts-forums: the fact that [according to some including yours truly] certain limitations tickle creativity whereas total freedom may evoke a feeling of being lost.. Needless to say (in the light of the discussion at hand) that not everybody agreed with that statement...

stevieb19 · Post by **stevieb19** » Tue May 16, 2006 1:16 pm

respirator wrote:Cabinfever: I actually think that the technological development is bringing music back as a medium for (almost) everyone. Not for the few selects of the recording business. While it's bad news for the dreams of stardom, it's great for music. So maybe musicians will once again be happy amateurs or low paid (global) village entertainers. The "canned" music of commercialism will hopefully fade away. At least you have many, many options to avoid it without being deprived of quality music.

Once again a quality comment. The ability for people who have creative ability but not always the musical training can now put their creations out there whilst even 10 years ago would have been unable to do anything at all.

PS well done everyone for such an intelligent thread. The most enjoyable for a long time.

cptgone · Post by **cptgone** » Tue May 16, 2006 1:17 pm

bleebsen wrote:Full ACK. I like to think it's communism at it's best:

Democratisation of means of production.

Hasta la victoria siempre!

Quite.

There is a disadvantage though.
20 years ago, there was more of an audience for recorded music.
nowadays, getting noticed without a live act is pretty hard. making money, even harder.

brambos · Post by **brambos** » Tue May 16, 2006 1:18 pm

GreyLion wrote:Cabinfever's mistake was posting his counter-rant in a forum that's, by definition, fueled by people who are deeply into technology, and, on an almost cellular level, reject the idea that it's mere existence could be bad.

In my opinion his main mistake was confusing selling music with making music. If you're making music for the fun of making music (i.e. the creative process, not the commercial process) then most of his arguments and counter-rants don't hold up.

If one thing, this is the golden age for hobby musicians.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Tue May 16, 2006 1:21 pm

Vinz wrote: Just wanted to comment on that.
In my case I think it generates more frustration than pleasure.

And seeing the amount of people reflecting on how they just scratch all the possibilities without getting anything done I think am not the only one.

At the end of the day, the issue isnt really whether you have too many possibilities or options, but whether you're disciplined enough to (not) use them.

Personally, that was always an issue for me. Most of the time I'd rather play with the toys than knuckle down, and Im damned easily distracted. But I've developed a way of working (or possibly more of a mentality) that actually fits in with that, and takes advantage of it. And the work Ive produced that Ive been most pleased with has been done since I figured that out.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Tue May 16, 2006 1:22 pm

GreyLion wrote: I'm one of that type of person, of course. But I get his argument that technology can get in the way of community. Perhaps more precisely, technology allows more and more people to cram into denser and larger urban environments and lose the village or tribal culture that promotes the sort of interpersonal connectedness he's talking about.

Nowadays, we're transitioning more and more to virtual communities of interest via the net and other ancillary technologies, such as podcasting. I don't know my next door neighbor, but, at KVR, I hang out with, and even occasionally share music with, you guys who live around the world.

In other words, we're actually engaging in a different kind of 'village or tribal culture' thats not dependent on location or circumstance.

bleebsen · Post by **bleebsen** » Tue May 16, 2006 1:27 pm

cptgone wrote:
bleebsen wrote:Full ACK. I like to think it's communism at it's best:

...
Quite.

...

nowadays, getting noticed without a live act is pretty hard. making money, even harder.

Isn't NOT getting noticed and NOT making money an integral part of communism, too?

(today's my great-analogy-day)

But seriously, wouldn't Internet-celebrities like Arctic Monkeys prove otherwise about the live act thing? I think getting noticed just generally became harder, too much distractions these times.

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Tue May 16, 2006 1:29 pm

viva la revolution!
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=98016

Shitting on our inheritance (extended rant)