M-Audio have lied about the Prokeys88sx.

[envoy]

Well, right - you don't know what it means. 'key aftertouch' isn't referring to aftertouch sent by the keyboard, vs channel aftertouch as not being sent by the keyboard. Key aftertouch is referring to aftertouch that is sent separately per key, as opposed to one value that is sent per 'channel'.

I wasn't very clear: I *do* understand that, and the distinction between the two. I think there are enough grey areas in this scenario - the MIDI Imp. chart labelled for PK88 instead of PK88sx, the fact that the PK88 has a different spec - that I feel badly for the guy. OTOH, if this was an important facet of the purchase, and I didn't try it out in a store somewhere, I'd surely try it out right away to make sure I had what I needed.

And, that said, since the documentation is misleading to a degree, I'd contact M-Audio directly with the problem and see if I couldn't work something out with them. Seems like a lot of times with manufacturers, it is *how* you approach them that has a big effect on the end result.

Cheers,
Envoy

[thesoundsmith]

DOn't have time to go into great detail at this point, but their own tech support does not seem to be clear wheteher the unit is souuposed to support AT or not. First he said no, then when I showed him the page in the manual (p27) he responded that it only RECEIVED at, not sent, then corrected imself and now says that it DOES. But it does not. So he said i was pn the wrong velocity selection - so I change it, still n AT, his response was - velocity is supposed to work (losing touch with the fact it's aftertouch we're talking about.)

So it's still up in the air - it may not be deliberate, but it sure is very unprofessional - I have usually had good results with M-Audio, but this has gone out of the box... If the unit has no at and is not broken, then there is nothing they can do to correct it - I need this particulr set of features for my live performance lower keyboard, and if this isn't it, there is no other. I either hire a roady to lug some behemoth board around (surgery has left me unable to lift over 20 lbs safely) or give up some other feature i need - aftertouch probably is the lowest priority for this keyoard as a lower manual, but not for a solo board.

[envoy]

soundsmith,

I do wish you the best in getting this resolved - it can be so frustrating when there aren't clear answers. Good luck!

Envoy

[thesoundsmith]

Thanks, envoy. It is indeed frustrating when there is a major disconnect between the product and the promotion. I used to try to give the company the benefit of the doubt, but corpoprate 'management' has taken so much of this for themselves, I have none left to offer. One chance to fix it and I'm off to the freak farm...

[rockstar_not]

Well if you define controllers like that i'd be curious to see the list as well.
Most of the ones i'm thinking of is synths.

My old Ensoniq VFX-SD has key aftertouch (Vintage, 1989). I don't know of a single soft synth that responds to it, however, and my host still doesn't let it through.

Key aftertouch can be incredibly expressive. It's really too bad it didn't become a standard.

-Scott

A quick google revealed there are plenty of VSTi:s that responds to poly AT.

All Linplug VSTi:s.
Virsyn Tera.
Arturia MoogModular,CS80V.
NI Reaktor,Kontakt.
Antis Augur.

There are probably more.

Edit: added to the list.

Thanks for the list!!

One of these days, I hope Tracktion records it.

-Scott

[kovacs]

This thread makes me wonder what aftertouch really is.

This comes from the CME UF keyboard sales speak:

"Aftertouch
All models in the CME UF Series feature aftertouch - this feature lets you push down harder once a key is played to send the MIDI aftertouch controller message. This can commonly be assigned to a wide range of fuctions within the synthesizer or sound module you are playing and allows you to modify a sound in real-time for a more expressive performance. It is most commonly used to introduce vibrato, raise the filter-cutoff point or introduce pitch-bend, but many other possibilities exist. The big advantage of aftertouch is that you can modify a sound without the need to free up a hand to move a modulation wheel or other controller."

So does this mean that the CME UF has aftertouch, or not?

[jupiter8]

So does this mean that the CME UF has aftertouch, or not?

Yes they do have aftertouch.

[thesoundsmith]

And the final word from M-Audio - aftertouch is only sent by re-mapping one of the cc controllers (Mod Wheel, Volume or Expression) to send it. This is an extremely ignorant and ill-informed decision on the part of the company. End of my participation on this thread, there's no where else to go.