Dangerous Bear Libraries for EVE 2 and DK+

[Bassballjg]

These libraries are currently in active development, but there is no relase date for either yet. Maybe June, hopefully not later than the end of July. EVE 2 will probably be first out of the gate, but you never know.

Much of the sample work for both is done, and preset writing will be in full swing fairly soon.

Sound designers are needed for the DK+ library. Please pm or email me if you're interested.

Are there any suggestions for either library?

[Cabinfever]

Suggestions ? maybe, if I knew anything about what them at all. For Eve2 have you settled on a theme or instrument ?

[dhanjit]

I'm guessing the Fuel 2.0 and Ignition samples will feature.

EVE 2 would be great at adding warmth to a lot of the Hollow Sun samples. I've just downloaded dBu Select. I'll play with it this evening and post any further thoughts I have.

[Bassballjg]

The news so far:

The drum library will be taking a little longer than first thought because I want to make it more extensive on the sample side, and also deeper on the programming side. The kits will actually be relatively easy, I just need to finish the additional sample work I'm doing, then organize it all into kits. But what I mean about deeper on the programming side is to really get into DK+ the instrument for its own sake, to take it and its capabilities as seriously as I would EVE 2 or WusikEngine, or Sampletank. Because as a DK+ user in my music, I mostly just use it to program a basic beat for working to, I'm sad to admit that i've only scratched the surface of what can be done. If there are brave volunteers who want to help out on this library especially for programming styles, please email me.

The dBu Select bank in EVE 2 will give you a taste of what is possible for the forthcoming EVE 2 library. Yes, some of your favorite dBu sounds from WE libraries will be included, including elements from Fuel, Ignition, and SonicScapes, but with E2's toatlly different architecture, you will be definitely getting a totally different product. But there will also be many new samples as well. So many in fact that also considering that the previously released WusikSNDs will be organized so differently from the WE libraries, that it will be necessary to make it a seperate sample download, including redundancies. That way will just be the easiest for everybody.

In any case, as long as we are still in development, there is some flexibility as to what will be included in both libraries. So if there is anything anybody wants, that is doable, it very well may get done. Nothing is fixed in stone per say, except that the broad concept is E2 as synth, whether the sample sets are of real instrumnets, or synthetic waveforms, the idea is to take the new EVE engine to its limits and beyond. This is grounded in my conviction that this engine is one of the best sample playing synths available at any price, but for the money, it has the biggest upside for sound mangling as well as the best ease of use for basic keyboard playing. EVE 2 should be THE sample-playback synth for any musician who needs great sound, simple but effective synthesis and economical but broad expandability. By these three criteria, EVE 2 has no equal at its price point. It is the bang for the buck champ of what the British press used to call S+S, samples + synthesis, of the VSTi market.

[original flipper]

HI

I would love an acoustic or should I say non synthesis set for EVE:

I don't know if that is your area but it would be great to have a 'GO TO' bank that has:

Electric guitars
Piano
Brass (REAL!)
Orchestral
Percussion
A few nice studio drum kits
Bass guitars

A kind of GM really ...

I would pay a premium price for such a bank.

Flipper.

[funkychickendance]

...Nothing is fixed in stone per say, except that the broad concept is E2 as synth, whether the sample sets are of real instrumnets, or synthetic waveforms, the idea is to take the new EVE engine to its limits and beyond. This is grounded in my conviction that this engine is one of the best sample playing synths available at any price, but for the money, it has the biggest upside for sound mangling as well as the best ease of use for basic keyboard playing. EVE 2 should be THE sample-playback synth for any musician who needs great sound, simple but effective synthesis and economical but broad expandability. By these three criteria, EVE 2 has no equal at its price point. It is the bang for the buck champ of what the British press used to call S+S, samples + synthesis, of the VSTi market.

I'm looking forward to this a lot. EVE TWO is a nice fresh interface (though, I must say I loved EVE 1.8 and am keeping it on my machine). It also has a lot of untapped potential. I'm a fan of liqih's work in general, but it was the enthusiasm of other folks here whose judgment I respect -- I'm thinking you, JJ, ToTC, Zvon and a few more -- that persuaded me to go out and build a full EVE library alongside my Wusik kit. What you said above is 100% true. So, the thought of 'more stuff' is very appealing...

/funxi

[fred-hal]

DK+1 for a d-bear library!

[dhanjit]

Very keen to buy this having given dBu Select a thorough seeing to.

As EVE stands for Electronic Vintage Ensemble, it could really make the Hollow Sun samples shine.

[Bassballjg]

HI

I would love an acoustic or should I say non synthesis set for EVE:

I don't know if that is your area but it would be great to have a 'GO TO' bank that has:

Electric guitars
Piano
Brass (REAL!)
Orchestral
Percussion
A few nice studio drum kits
Bass guitars

A kind of GM really ...

I would pay a premium price for such a bank.

Flipper.

Martin, between this post and another of yours in a certain other thread which no longer exists, I hear you. It's important that both the Dash and Wusik Engine products develop a sample base for realistic acoustic and instrumenyt sounds, to step beyond the synthetic. However, I think that the situation as far as that goes is better in hand than ever.

For the basics of traditional pop ensemble, you've got Manystation, and now Many Guitar and the forthcoming ManyOne, the latter two being DASHsnd players based on EVE ONE. Paul's sounds also include an excellent bass library, and all of his products are at rock-botton prices at the moment as part of Manytone's group buy. I think that they make an excellent add-on to EVE 2, in the case of Manystation's WusikSND soundsets, and the Manyguitar engine has been optimized as a guitar instrument and will make an excellent teamate for EVE 2.

We are still looking forward to BITR's release of Ethnotronics, which will be the first major ethnic library in WusikSND, so when it's available, you can import its soundsets into EVE 2.

Then there is William's HQ series of acoustic instruments, which is promised to continue expanding.

So, there is stuff out there. But getting it made as a dedicated library for EVE 2, we'll see. I think it's a great idea, and I'd love to do it, or at least see it done. But there are some limitations.

I can explicitly promise you more drums will be available form Dangerous Bear. I have done a lot of editing on the drum material I have, and have a lot more to go through. I doubt there will be a dedicated drum library for E2 from me, because I am aslo doing the DK+ library as well. But much of that material will be organized into keymapped kits for E2.

There is a good chance for a piano, but I won't discuss this further now. And there is also something else in the early stages of development that is decidedly acoustic, and which will be very unique not just for Dash players, but something that isn't done often for ant sampler or sample-playback synth.

Horns, I want to do it, I've got a couple of good friends who play sax, but haven't been able to get them in the studio yet. We shall see. Better not to promise or to discuss something that's not real yet.

There are economic issues as well. There is a quaestion of how to do something as capital intensive as orchestral recording for a market that exisits at this price-point. On the one hand, I think that recording an orchestra, or buying or licensing rights to an existing orchestral library(like Sonic Reality and Miroslav Vitous) is highly problematic when the high price for a library without engine is in the $50 range.

But maybe, using students and recording a couple of instruments at a time, and building larger ensembles with overdubs, it might be possible. I lack the time, money and contacts to do this for now, but wouldn't object to the work as long as nobody expected VSL.

But even with Wusik 3's newly announced disc streaming capability, and Luigi's forthcoming CP80 instrument which will also disc stream and may lay the groundwork for streaming in a future EVE update, I don't think that that is the primary mission of these engines. I see EVE 2 as being about putting samples thgrough synthesis processing to create new and unique sounds. But yes, sure, we should, will, and do have more acoustic instruments.

[Bassballjg]

Preset work is going really well for the EVE 2 library. so well, in fact, that we may start the preorder as soon as next week, anticipating release in the first two weeks of July.

Even better, how about this deal: For the next 5 people who are NEW EVE 2 users, you'll get this library FREE. That's how much I believe in this synth and this library. Projected price is $40. Preorder price will very likely be, based on that figure, $30, and less for Dangerous Denizens. The library now includes 1.245 GB of samples, and there's some stuff that's been edited that remains to be created as DASHsnd. If this doesn't get potential EVE 2 users off the fence, I don't know what will.

[DotNoir]

Hrm, I'm sort of a new EVE2 user, but I've owned EVE ONE before...

Anyway, I'm looking forward for this sample set, even though I don't own other samples from you guys I've heard so many great things about your work that I'll be most definately getting this sample set.

[Bassballjg]

Hrm, I'm sort of a new EVE2 user, but I've owned EVE ONE before...

Anyway, I'm looking forward for this sample set, even though I don't own other samples from you guys I've heard so many great things about your work that I'll be most definately getting this sample set.

Thanks. I think that you will not be disappointed.

[softegg]

Are still looking for DK+ sound designers?
If yes, i would be interestedn in doing a few sets. pm me.

[Bassballjg]

Are still looking for DK+ sound designers?
If yes, i would be interestedn in doing a few sets. pm me.

Thanks for the offer, I'll get back to you on that asap.

[DOD505]

Even better, how about this deal: For the next 5 people who are NEW EVE 2 users, you'll get this library FREE.

That's hard to refuse.
Just bought a copy of EVE 2!
Cross my fingers that there aren't 5 people before me.