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bobby yarrow · Post by **bobby yarrow** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:29 am

That's barking mad. You put an audio damage plugin on your mandolin and then you wonder if the intonation is off?

"Sorry about the delay" indeed.

Were you just trying to prove that most people can't hear very well?

Improv · Post by **Improv** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:36 am

bobby yarrow wrote:That's barking mad. You put an audio damage plugin on your mandolin and then you wonder if the intonation is off?

So like-umm..is that why it's called Audio DAMAGE then?

(Sorry Chris R. !

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Trevor Jackson · Post by **Trevor Jackson** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:45 am

Ronin is a delay, Skipper.

bobby yarrow wrote:That's barking mad. You put an audio damage plugin on your mandolin and then you wonder if the intonation is off?

"Sorry about the delay" indeed.

Were you just trying to prove that most people can't hear very well?

Improv · Post by **Improv** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:54 am

Trevor Jackson wrote:Ronin is a delay, Skipper.

bobby yarrow wrote:That's barking mad. You put an audio damage plugin on your mandolin and then you wonder if the intonation is off?

"Sorry about the delay" indeed.

Were you just trying to prove that most people can't hear very well?

Much more though:

According to their web site, Ronin is:

"A complete modular multi-effects rack in VST form! Ronin, featuring two delays, two multi-mode filters, two tube saturation stages, and two LFOs, with a fully modular routable signal path, is a total solution for analog-style effects."

Are you 100% sure that no other effect was on?

bobby yarrow · Post by **bobby yarrow** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:04 am

Trevor Jackson wrote:Ronin is a delay, Skipper.

bobby yarrow wrote:That's barking mad. You put an audio damage plugin on your mandolin and then you wonder if the intonation is off?

"Sorry about the delay" indeed.

Were you just trying to prove that most people can't hear very well?

You saw my delay joke, didn't you?

Anyhow, if it was an honest part of the learning curve, then lesson learned: don't put weird-ass FX on acoustic instruments and expect them to sound in tune. Even a straight delay will comb-filter a bit, but that ain't no straight delay.

markanini · Post by **markanini** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:14 am

On 0:44, 1:29 and 2:37 you play an F on the guitar which sounds dissonant, you probably meant to play an E. Just a single note that doesnt go well with the rest of the chord.
Overall intonation is excellent.
What mics did you use?

Trevor Jackson · Post by **Trevor Jackson** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:22 am

I used a Rode K2 aimed straight at the sound hole

markanini wrote:On 0:44, 1:29 and 2:37 you play an F on the guitar which sounds dissontant, you probably meant to play an E. Just a single note that doesnt go well with the rest of the chord.
Overall intonation is excellent.
What mics did you use?

AndrewSimon · Post by **AndrewSimon** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:55 pm

Trevor Jackson wrote:I didn't mention I put Ronin on the mando. I do agree about the mando having some less-desirable partials, though. I guess an EQ would work.

Thanks everyone for their comments.

The Ronin FX is the problem.
Try some gentle chorus instead.

markanini · Post by **markanini** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:28 pm

AndrewSimon wrote:
Trevor Jackson wrote:I didn't mention I put Ronin on the mando. I do agree about the mando having some less-desirable partials, though. I guess an EQ would work.

Thanks everyone for their comments.
The Ronin FX is the problem.
Try some gentle chorus instead.

I'm sorry but the undesireable partial theory is bullshit to me. It must be diffucult to achieve something like that unless youre doing som very extreme EQing, especially since those partials would be in a very high freqency on a mandolin where one is not as sensitive to tonality. You don't hear people using exciters or tube effects, which work by creating new partialls, complaining about intonation.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:07 pm

I think the intonation sounds fine. The weird-ass effect on the mando, on the other hand, is making it sound odd because of the resonant peak which is emphasizing nearly the same frequency throughout. And if that frequency is not a frequency that's "in tune" with the song, then it's going to throw the whole instrument's sound off.

Take off the Ronin and use no effects at all and I guarantee you'll be 100% happy with the way it sounds. If you want to effect it, effect it as a second duplicate track and find the right blend so that the pure sound of the mando is still more prominent.

Greg

markanini · Post by **markanini** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:53 am

Removing the effect on the mandolin will not make the "intonation" problem go away. I think it should be obvious for even a non musician that the only problem was a few wrong notes on the guitar. Did you guys eve listen to the song? If you did and you found the undesireable partial theory the most plausible you should be working with audio.

Trevor Jackson · Post by **Trevor Jackson** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:09 am

I might try a clean track as well. I actually like the Ronin on it, but it would be nice to control it better.

Lunch Money wrote:I think the intonation sounds fine. The weird-ass effect on the mando, on the other hand, is making it sound odd because of the resonant peak which is emphasizing nearly the same frequency throughout. And if that frequency is not a frequency that's "in tune" with the song, then it's going to throw the whole instrument's sound off.

Take off the Ronin and use no effects at all and I guarantee you'll be 100% happy with the way it sounds. If you want to effect it, effect it as a second duplicate track and find the right blend so that the pure sound of the mando is still more prominent.

Greg

Trevor Jackson · Post by **Trevor Jackson** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:10 am

I'm puzzled. I didn't play any wrong notes (to my ear) but you're the second person to hear a few.

Gotta go back and listen.

markanini wrote:Removing the effect on the mandolin will not make the "intonation" problem go away. I think it should be obvious for even a non musician that the only problem was a few wrong notes on the guitar. Did you guys eve listen to the song? If you did and you found the undesireable partial theory the most plausible you should be working with audio.

bobby yarrow · Post by **bobby yarrow** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:25 am

Removing the ronin effect will definitely make the problem go away. I wasn't listening for other problems, like wrong notes . . . I have no idea what notes you intended to play, and I only listened to about 5 seconds before it was obvious that you had something in your mix you either didn't know about or didn't mention.

Don't be puzzled. This is extremely simple. Don't let the noisefloor of this thread distract you from the obvious cause of your problem.

P.T. · Post by **P.T.** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:20 am

I don't hear an intonation or tuning problem.
I would use less reverb on that mandolin and switch to a regular wah pedal though. You are getting resonant peaks that are hurting the sound.

Listening on headphones the mandolin doesn't sound like it is integrated into the song because of those resonances and a bit too much reverb.

Intonation Issues with Stringed Instruments