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flippya2000 · Post by **flippya2000** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:00 pm

Hi, can someone tell me how to make this_cymbal_crash? (I apologise if you don't have a popup blocker, as it is a free host).

Also, there's a kick playing at the same time (which I didn't EQ out, coz I want you to be able to hear it with as little editting as possible). I have tried compression & timestretching but haven't come close to this sound, thus would be very greatful for any tips for making it. Many thanks

sonarman · Post by **sonarman** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:08 pm

I'm no expert but that sounds like a standard Amen sample.

beej · Post by **beej** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:09 pm

Sounds like a compressed, truncated open hihat sample to me, or it could be a crash I guess...

flippya2000 · Post by **flippya2000** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:24 pm

sonarman wrote:I'm no expert but that sounds like a standard Amen sample.

Cheers for the info, I will be looking at some of those Amen samples this weekend! Still, it would be better if I knew how they were made in the 1st place so I could have a stab at making them myself..

beej wrote:Sounds like a compressed, truncated open hihat sample to me, or it could be a crash I guess...

Thanks beej, I'm new to drum editting so your comment is very helpful. I tried compressing (& EQ cutting) a open hi-hat just now, and came closer than I was before (still quite off, but there's hope!) So thanks again. Any other tips on this, or on drum sample editting & compression would be most welcome too! (I also recommend DOA for those who want tips on drum editting especially DnB)

djdorian · Post by **djdorian** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:00 pm

sounds like a sample of a cymbal/hat being struck simultaneously with either a bassdrum or tom drum. And yes, it sounds compressed, reverberated, and gated.

dblue · Post by **dblue** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:43 pm

Yep. It's a portion from the Amen breakbeat, from the song "Amen, Brother" by The Winstons.

http://illformed.org/downloads/the_wins ... rother.wav

You can hear it right at the very end of the sample.

How they created those original sounds - which mics were used, compression, eq settings, etc, etc - has puzzled people for years, so good luck with figuring it out

flippya2000 · Post by **flippya2000** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:49 pm

dblue wrote:Yep. It's a portion from the Amen breakbeat, from the song "Amen, Brother" by The Winstons.

http://illformed.org/downloads/the_wins ... rother.wav

You can hear it right at the very end of the sample.

How they created those original sounds - which mics were used, compression, eq settings, etc, etc - has puzzled people for years, so good luck with figuring it out

Cheers dblue

I've been doing a lot of research on the Amen break since the 1st reply, and it's amazing to know the history of it. I first began enjoying DnB in the early 90s listening to Kool FM & WeekEnd Rush, and all my favourite tracks have this break in it!

Thanks for wishing me luck..I'm gona need it!

Pantsdown666 · Post by **Pantsdown666** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 3:05 am

posted elsewhere here before :
over-long and slow commentary, but interesting info in this doco about the amen break :

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:23 am

the kick has a lot to do with the amen crash. The entire amen break is heavily compressed and the kick being compressed into it creates a lot of the character.

flippya2000 · Post by **flippya2000** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:18 pm

Pantsdown666 wrote:posted elsewhere here before :
over-long and slow commentary, but interesting info in this doco about the amen break :

Cheers for the info - I saw it yesterday & find it interesting, especially the bit when it played the original loop (speeded up) & zero-g's 'version' back to back

The Chase wrote:the kick has a lot to do with the amen crash. The entire amen break is heavily compressed and the kick being compressed into it creates a lot of the character.

Thanks 4 the info - I'll bear that in mind when I'm doing the drum editting/sound design thang

Pantsdown666 · Post by **Pantsdown666** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:29 pm

flippya2000 wrote:Thanks 4 the info - I'll bear that in mind when I'm doing the drum editting/sound design thang

I'd say smash it with something from the friendly CAMEL people :
just work with the compression stuff, not too much on the distortion knob ...

Camel Crusher (free) : http://www.camelaudio.com/camelcrusher.php
CamelPhat : http://www.camelaudio.com/camelphat.php

flippya2000 · Post by **flippya2000** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:33 pm

Pantsdown666 wrote:I'd say smash it with something from the friendly CAMEL people :
just work with the compression stuff, not too much on the distortion knob ...

Camel Crusher (free) : http://www.camelaudio.com/camelcrusher.php
CamelPhat : http://www.camelaudio.com/camelphat.php

Cheers, already have PhatSpace (& Cameleon5000 btw) I will be using BP EQ & compression for the drum sound design, but am still learning what's best. So far I've had mixed results with adding distortion, which you've already pointed out that I shouldn't use too much of

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