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basic channel wrote:First complaint - should be able to right click on generator track in song playlist and "replace" with another generator (like in FLS and XT) rather than just delete and replace from main menu bar.
If you want to preview other instruments, and actually be able to compare them to what you have rather than just arbitrarily chuck them out without having the slightest idea whether your new choice will be a good one or not, then you can click on the button with a cog symbol on it and choose "Receive MIDI from...", then select the generator you are looking to replace. Once you are happy, a simple CTRL+SHIFT+C will copy all of the patterns from the old one and CTRL+V will paste them into your new one. It shoudln't take you more than 20 seconds or so to recreate the Playlist channel, three seconds to copy/paste Mixer settings and then you can delete the old one. Why anyone would want to replace an instrument before they were satisfied that they definitely had something better to replace it with is completely beyond me.
Anyway, like you I never finished anything at all in the 18 months I used Fruity, yet in the first three or four months I was using ORION I ported a dozen songs from our hardware, wrote [finished] several new ones and finished a couple of things I'd started in Fruity but had never been able to satisfactorily finish. That kind of said it all to me.
As to the question of what is in ORION Platinum that might justify the expense, the simple answer is quality. Many of the included generators would cost hundreds of dollars each to replace with VSTi, if they could be adequately replaced at all, as would the best of the effects [Platinum Diffuse Delay, Impulse Response Processor or Dynamics Shaper (similar to TransX tranisent shaper)].
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yeah but what about FL vs OP on a Mac :help:

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Kriminal wrote:
basic channel wrote:Right - got the demo running now with "Detroit" song (default was a bit resource heavy on my venerable old P3 800 !).
never heard of that song, but with that spec PC, im surprised tyou can do anything audio related.
thats a ridiculous statement...

you can do alot with those old pcs --- audio related. Put down tracks, use low cpu usage (and not the best sounding) generators, etc..

sure, youre not going to be able to use the latest in FX or vsti toys, but saying you cant do anything audio related is quite general and ignorant.
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BONES wrote:
basic channel wrote:First complaint - should be able to right click on generator track in song playlist and "replace" with another generator (like in FLS and XT) rather than just delete and replace from main menu bar.
If you want to preview other instruments, and actually be able to compare them to what you have rather than just arbitrarily chuck them out without having the slightest idea whether your new choice will be a good one or not, then you can click on the button with a cog symbol on it and choose "Receive MIDI from...", then select the generator you are looking to replace. Once you are happy, a simple CTRL+SHIFT+C will copy all of the patterns from the old one and CTRL+V will paste them into your new one. It shoudln't take you more than 20 seconds or so to recreate the Playlist channel, three seconds to copy/paste Mixer settings and then you can delete the old one. Why anyone would want to replace an instrument before they were satisfied that they definitely had something better to replace it with is completely beyond me.
Anyway, like you I never finished anything at all in the 18 months I used Fruity, yet in the first three or four months I was using ORION I ported a dozen songs from our hardware, wrote [finished] several new ones and finished a couple of things I'd started in Fruity but had never been able to satisfactorily finish. That kind of said it all to me.
As to the question of what is in ORION Platinum that might justify the expense, the simple answer is quality. Many of the included generators would cost hundreds of dollars each to replace with VSTi, if they could be adequately replaced at all, as would the best of the effects [Platinum Diffuse Delay, Impulse Response Processor or Dynamics Shaper (similar to TransX tranisent shaper)].
this is actually quite a good post BONES, thanks for not being a freakin flamelord -- *looks like* an honest, objective view.
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FatFreddy wrote:You can link a controller a bit like FL's last tweaked parameter. Move the knob on the gui, ctrl + L then twiddle your knob and it's linked. I miss replace too. FL has so many cool tricks, Orion seems less featured, but more focused to me. If your so used to FL, and are happy with it, then why are you bothering?
hmmmm, does FL have a shortcut for this?

Ill have to see. that rocks :D
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Jason Brian Merrill wrote:
BONES wrote:
basic channel wrote:First complaint - should be able to right click on generator track in song playlist and "replace" with another generator (like in FLS and XT) rather than just delete and replace from main menu bar.
If you want to preview other instruments, and actually be able to compare them to what you have rather than just arbitrarily chuck them out without having the slightest idea whether your new choice will be a good one or not, then you can click on the button with a cog symbol on it and choose "Receive MIDI from...", then select the generator you are looking to replace. Once you are happy, a simple CTRL+SHIFT+C will copy all of the patterns from the old one and CTRL+V will paste them into your new one. It shoudln't take you more than 20 seconds or so to recreate the Playlist channel, three seconds to copy/paste Mixer settings and then you can delete the old one. Why anyone would want to replace an instrument before they were satisfied that they definitely had something better to replace it with is completely beyond me.
Anyway, like you I never finished anything at all in the 18 months I used Fruity, yet in the first three or four months I was using ORION I ported a dozen songs from our hardware, wrote [finished] several new ones and finished a couple of things I'd started in Fruity but had never been able to satisfactorily finish. That kind of said it all to me.
As to the question of what is in ORION Platinum that might justify the expense, the simple answer is quality. Many of the included generators would cost hundreds of dollars each to replace with VSTi, if they could be adequately replaced at all, as would the best of the effects [Platinum Diffuse Delay, Impulse Response Processor or Dynamics Shaper (similar to TransX tranisent shaper)].
this is actually quite a good post BONES, thanks for not being a freakin flamelord -- *looks like* an honest, objective view.
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Well i'm gonna throw my, erm, 37p in here.

I used to own orion platinum back at version 5 i think it was. I made a reasonable number of finished tracks, most shit so never reeased for public consumption, but the point was that i got stuff done. Since i sold it on, i have tried MANY other hosts and soft studios. In that time i have completed a grand total of about f**k all divided by 6. I've just flogged my Reason 2.5(fun, shite sequencer and takes forever to do simple things) and i am left with EnergyXT and Renoise.

I doubt i will ever sell either, trackers still rule the roost for drum programming and XT v2 is gonna be stunning(plus it plugs holes in other hosts). That thing will make people realise that they are pissing away money on the so-called "top end" hosts.

At this point i am considering buying either FLStudio(i love all the weird little toys like scratching tools, internal controllers etc but the playlist/sequencer i find very difficult) or Orion. The logic of having patterns-per-generator like in Orion seems more logical to me.

I am VERY strongly considering going back to Orion Platinum. It doesn't have a million sends, it doesn't have loads of clever/weird/funky shit for experimental routings and it doesn't have the wave traveller(i love that idea!!) but it does have a simple, clean interface and a workflow that, for me, was brilliant. For some f**ked up reason it became too familiar and i got bored with it. Bad move!!

Anyway i'm thinking that Orion Platinum + EnergyXT would be a killer combo. And the bundled generators are indeed excellent, they were 3 or 4 years ago and that was before the likes of Ultran and Toxic3(a stunner).

I think i've said enough. its simple to use and very capable for an entirely reasonable amount of money.

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quincy wrote:Well i'm gonna throw my, erm, 37p in here.

I used to own orion platinum back at version 5 i think it was. I made a reasonable number of finished tracks, most shit so never reeased for public consumption, but the point was that i got stuff done. Since i sold it on, i have tried MANY other hosts and soft studios. In that time i have completed a grand total of about f**k all divided by 6. I've just flogged my Reason 2.5(fun, shite sequencer and takes forever to do simple things) and i am left with EnergyXT and Renoise.

I doubt i will ever sell either, trackers still rule the roost for drum programming and XT v2 is gonna be stunning(plus it plugs holes in other hosts). That thing will make people realise that they are pissing away money on the so-called "top end" hosts.

At this point i am considering buying either FLStudio(i love all the weird little toys like scratching tools, internal controllers etc but the playlist/sequencer i find very difficult) or Orion. The logic of having patterns-per-generator like in Orion seems more logical to me.

I am VERY strongly considering going back to Orion Platinum. It doesn't have a million sends, it doesn't have loads of clever/weird/funky shit for experimental routings and it doesn't have the wave traveller(i love that idea!!) but it does have a simple, clean interface and a workflow that, for me, was brilliant. For some f**ked up reason it became too familiar and i got bored with it. Bad move!!

Anyway i'm thinking that Orion Platinum + EnergyXT would be a killer combo. And the bundled generators are indeed excellent, they were 3 or 4 years ago and that was before the likes of Ultran and Toxic3(a stunner).

I think i've said enough. its simple to use and very capable for an entirely reasonable amount of money.
I'm hearing what you (and BONES et al) are saying.

And I am definitely in need of something that would help me actually get projects to completion !

Hmmm...I'm still thiniing, though, that workflow / simplicity is also part of what makes FLS so enjoyable to use.

Doesn't explain why I can't finish songs though.

Maybe it's me, more than the host.

And I am very much looking forward to XT2 (*groan* another massive piece of software to get my head around).

I still can't quite persuade myself that Orion would be worth $199 (in my situation).

I can afford it but need some sort of justification
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Maybe you could persuade yourself that Orion Pro is worth $99 to you. The workflow is the same, but no master mixer, less synths and effects, and no audio recording. Then if it works out you can upgrade for another $99 later. You know you want to. :)

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its a shame that babya logic doesnt get more cred

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can orion rewire? i can't remember.

@jbm; bones has been posting much more honest from the hip posts, and not so hardcore. i think it's a nice change in his style.

@bones; have you considered ever making a set of orion video tutorials? i know you may think, well hrm it's pretty self explanitory, and even if it is, there are plenty of things that you know about it that really speed things up. seriously if i were you i'd either write an ebook and sell it, or do a vid tute and sell it. you are an established and trusted expert of the software, and i'm sure it would be well recieved. of course it is time consuming to create this stuff, but it would be really the best gift i think you could give to orion. you could perhaps talk to the swavideo guys about doing it through them and promote it through the synapse software site? i dont know just an idea. maybe after you finish that karmakiller synth? :shrug:

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quincy wrote:Well i'm gonna throw my, erm, 37p in here.

I used to own orion platinum back at version 5 i think it was. I made a reasonable number of finished tracks, most shit so never reeased for public consumption, but the point was that i got stuff done. Since i sold it on, i have tried MANY other hosts and soft studios. In that time i have completed a grand total of about f**k all divided by 6.
I'm kinda the same way, I've got more done with Orion than any other host,it just works for me.
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grymmjack wrote:can orion rewire? i can't remember.
Yes, as slave and host.
@bones; have you considered ever making a set of orion video tutorials? i know you may think, well hrm it's pretty self explanitory, and even if it is, there are plenty of things that you know about it that really speed things up. seriously if i were you i'd either write an ebook and sell it, or do a vid tute and sell it. you are an established and trusted expert of the software, and i'm sure it would be well recieved. of course it is time consuming to create this stuff, but it would be really the best gift i think you could give to orion. you could perhaps talk to the swavideo guys about doing it through them and promote it through the synapse software site? i dont know just an idea. maybe after you finish that karmakiller synth? :shrug:
Yeah, time is the killer. I have so many things to get done and travelling all the time with my job makes me so disorganised on top of everything. But realistically, I think you'd be hard-pressed to come up with a lot of content. ORION is very straightforward, there aren't that many secret tricks to reveal and if there are, I probably never use them. My production is very meat and potatoes. I hardly ever automate things and I don't use a lot of effects. I just rely on good basic building blocks and plenty of EQ, all of which are right there in front of you every time you start ORION.
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ORION - THE POWER FOR SUCCESS

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vista wrote:ORION - THE POWER FOR SUCCINESS


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I'll go back to sleep now. :oops:

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