Pianoteq - Looks Like new Modelled Piano

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djdorian wrote: Just curious, how do the Mason & Hamlin, Yamaha, and Bosendorfer compare to a Steinway? I almost bought a used M&H for $5000 myself, but settled on a Clavinova instead. I haven't completely ruled out purchasing an acoustic sometime in the future, however.
1 - There is NOTHING like the real thing. No matter how good the samples get, when you play a real piano you not only hear it, but you feel it. All the best digital pianos and samples in the world do not give me the personal satisfaction of playing on a a real piano. And a real piano inspires me in ways that no digital can (shrug). If your primary motive is to practice or to enjoy the experience of playing a piano, then get the real thing.

2 - A real piano can be expensive for a good one, takes work to maintain, big to move around and locate in or near your actual studio and for most of us, difficult to mic for recording. If your primary goal is recording, then keep going with digital. You can always use your Clavinova as a keyboard controller and use Ivory or whatever for easier recording.

3 - or get both! :-)

4 - As far as the different famous pianos, this is purely personal preference. You have to go try them all yourself. This is a huge subject on its own and there are piano forums for that. They all feel and sound different and you will definitely notice the difference. My all time favorte sound is M&H but I love the feel of the yamaha C7. Most classical pianists were trained in steinways and are snobbish about it. (shrug). Try them out and pick one that works for you. There are also many fine uprights out there if you don't need to record or don't have the space.

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Dewdman42 wrote:
djdorian wrote: Just curious, how do the Mason & Hamlin, Yamaha, and Bosendorfer compare to a Steinway? I almost bought a used M&H for $5000 myself, but settled on a Clavinova instead. I haven't completely ruled out purchasing an acoustic sometime in the future, however.
1 - There is NOTHING like the real thing. No matter how good the samples get, when you play a real piano you not only hear it, but you feel it. All the best digital pianos and samples in the world do not give me the personal satisfaction of playing on a a real piano. And a real piano inspires me in ways that no digital can (shrug). If your primary motive is to practice or to enjoy the experience of playing a piano, then get the real thing.

2 - A real piano can be expensive for a good one, takes work to maintain, big to move around and locate in or near your actual studio and for most of us, difficult to mic for recording. If your primary goal is recording, then keep going with digital. You can always use your Clavinova as a keyboard controller and use Ivory or whatever for easier recording.

3 - or get both! :-)

4 - As far as the different famous pianos, this is purely personal preference. You have to go try them all yourself. This is a huge subject on its own and there are piano forums for that. They all feel and sound different and you will definitely notice the difference. My all time favorte sound is M&H but I love the feel of the yamaha C7. Most classical pianists were trained in steinways and are snobbish about it. (shrug). Try them out and pick one that works for you. There are also many fine uprights out there if you don't need to record or don't have the space.
Thanks.

I recently added Fur Elise to my repertoire which consists primarily of Nursery Rhymes, Blues, Christmas Carols, Hymnals, sections of popular songs, some simple Jazz pieces, and a few video game songs (including a few from the Final Fantasy series.)

It seems like since I got my Clavinova, which freaking rules, I've been doing more acoustic solo piano stuff than ever before. I'm thinking about releasing an album at some time in the near future of pieces I wrote and perform myself.

Pianoteq sounds like just the tool, seeing as the Clav is more known for its great dynamics, filters, sample programming, and overall "key feel" than it is for the quality of the samples. I actually preferred the sound of the Roland (despite it's very low sampling rate of the samples used) to that of the Clav.

Now I can get the best of both worlds... Dynamics, filters, AND Sound Quality!

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yea. Well do yourself a favor and check out Ivory and some others first before you jump to the conclusion of which is best.
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Dewdman42 wrote:yea. Well do yourself a favor and check out Ivory and some others first before you jump to the conclusion of which is best.
I'm not jumping to any conclusions. I never said it was better than Ivory.

BTW, can anyone compare this to the malsmjo piano soundfont (to my ears it sounds better than mmalmsjo.sf2)

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I'm very impressed!

I have not tried the demo, but the demo songs, some of them are very solid sounding. Best PM piano I have heard yet. And such a compact size... I'm off to download the demo!

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Hmmm...it's an impressive technological achievement perhaps, but it sounds fake. Not terribly fake, but audibly fake. The price is steep too. During the recent sale you could've picked up 3-4 Sampletekk pianos for this price, and they sound clearly superior.

That being said I wish this developer luck, cause the technology shows promise, and it takes guts to be a pioneer. But the sound just isn't there...yet.

matto

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Hi everyone,

I'm Niclas Fogwall, responsible for sales and support of Modartt Pianoteq.

Just to let you know that we monitor this thread with high interest and take in all the constructive criticism. Pianoteq is a brand new generation of pianos and this is only the beginning.

When it comes to the piano sound, make sure to experiment with the different parameters (such as hammer hardness, spectrum profile, global resonance and so on). You will be amazed about what this piano can do.

We are currently working on a newly discovered bug in the trial version. We are doing our best to solve this asap and will let you know when we have a solution.

If you have any support issue, please use the support form on our site so that we can work more effectively and give you a faster solution.

Thank you all for your remarks so far, and keep it coming...

Niclas Fogwall
Sales & support
Pianoteq
www.pianoteq.com
Niclas Fogwall
Sales & support
Pianoteq
www.pianoteq.com

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When I run the trial VSTi, I get this error:

(title: Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library)

File: fourierbmp.cc
Line: 609
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The demo are speaking for themselves,

My early conclusion AS LISTENER is that it doesn't blow away completely the dedicated romplers


....though it seems to be on the way , but not yet ( listen to the upper-middle notes when playing smoothly )

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Just to add that this a ROMpler freak's opinion !

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Greggjazz wrote:
When I run the trial VSTi, I get this error:

(title: Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library)

File: fourierbmp.cc
Line: 609
I have same problem.....maybe this is the bug they are working on?If it is I hope it gets squashed soon.

Pianoteq wrote:
We are currently working on a newly discovered bug in the trial version. We are doing our best to solve this asap and will let you know when we have a solution.
I'm really looking forward to playing with this.

I think this has so much promise for new creative explorations and expression aside from straight piano.

Does the Pianoteq support Hermode Tuning or plan to,perhaps you have your own design on this?

Edit:Realtime retuning?

Thanks.

Really nice to see you here Niclas representing Pianoteq....welcome to KVR.
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Another bug: in VstHost "Next Preset" or "Previous Preset" does not work ... also does not work in Chainer or Cantabile ...

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I think Pianoteq is a tremendous achievement.

We all got used to work with piano romplers, which means that we hear a piano that HAS BEEN RECORDED, so that the mic's the pre's the converters etc... are a part of the sounds. Not to mention that a piano rompler is actually a mix of single keys recordings, which is totally different from the sound of a bunch of keys pressed altogether. Pianoteq doesn't try to mimic a recording but tries to give the experience of standing near a piano.

I made an audition, playing Pianoteq alongside Old Lady and Ivory's Bosendorfer. It's a totally different experience. Pianoteq feels like playing an instrument and gives a feeling of infinity while playing the sampled pianos feels immediately like repeating the same recordings over and over again.

But I'm not saying that Pianoteq's sound is already there. Maybe it's a matter of presets programming, but I feel that Pianoteq is a bit too "pale" compared to a real piano. I'm looking for some sortios of mid-range quality which I can't find it Pianoteq yet.

I'm really curious to see where this thing is going. I'm a potential client of the software but the price seems a bit too high for me right now.

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If they dropped the price to E200 then it would be a key buy, but at the current price it's just a tad steep. Still, a physically modelled piano is amazing to say the least. I'm sure to buy this once they refine it a bit. Probably by next year when I buy a few VSTs and the Blue Sky MediaDesk 2.1 system with some decent acoustic room treatment. By then things might be better. But right now the midrange quality is slightly lacking. It could sound a bit fuller but just doesn't. Maybe something like HarmoniEQ and Marquis applied to this piano would help a bit.
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Just for my guidance

- from upright to grand, how much strings on a piano usually ?

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- Should they all have been modelled one by one ?!

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pethu wrote:if listening through headphones may sure you are in the proper output mode
That's well and good for a stand-alone version, but it was running as a plugin when I tried it. Am I supposed to do two separate tracks and mixes if I use Pianoteq - one for headphones, one for not? No other piano simulation has this problem. Switching playback modes is just something extra to possibly screw up in front of a client. If it needs two different output modes then the programmers got something wrong. It should default to whatever the straight, uneffected output is when it's used as a plugin. I can add my own effects to the signal (or not).

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