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egarrard · Post by **egarrard** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:50 pm

Motion wrote:Does the Pianoteq support Hermode Tuning or plan to,perhaps you have your own design on this?

Or Scala files? There are a "tun" of alternate tunings just sitting there.

olepro · Post by **olepro** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:52 pm

I am very impressed indeed.
I played around with the demo in about five minutes and i was sold.
I went to the website and bought it right away.
I have now used this piano in a day and i'm still very impressed with the way it sounds and reacts on the playing and how i can get it to sound as i like.
Messing around with the eight overtone adjustings can really change the sound of the piano in a way you just can't do with equalizing.
It's laughable to think of my 1,3 gigabyte 'The Grand' right now when using this 8 megabyte piano.
I am sold 100%

Pianoteq has made an really impressive work on this one !

projectdan · Post by **projectdan** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 2:01 pm

Tried the demo and Im also impressed that it sounds good and isnt that heavey on the CPU (2.5GHz P4). I was expecting this sort of thing to be a CPU sucker especially as its new technology.
Is this really modeled from scratch or is there some sort of samples/wavetables involved at all? Not that it matters to the end result but Im suprised that the CPU hit is so good for what it is.

wildzeke · Post by **wildzeke** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:18 pm

The Pianteg is great! So when is the group buy?

olepro · Post by **olepro** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:00 pm

projectdan wrote:Tried the demo and Im also impressed that it sounds good and isnt that heavey on the CPU (2.5GHz P4). I was expecting this sort of thing to be a CPU sucker especially as its new technology.
Is this really modeled from scratch or is there some sort of samples/wavetables involved at all? Not that it matters to the end result but Im suprised that the CPU hit is so good for what it is.

It is totally modeling, no samples at all.
Go to their website and read about it.

They allready has two new models of old pianos that can be loaded into Pianoteq and more will come.
I have tried to tweak it to sound close to an upright piano, but i'm really hoping for a upright piano model that sounds old and beaten if it's possible.

It would be nice if we could detune individual strings to make it sound out of tune in a natural way.

dx-9 · Post by **dx-9** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:02 pm

incredible! bowowow

Timbre · Post by **Timbre** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:07 pm

it crashes FLSTUDIO and ABLETON, any fix for this ?

VicDiesel · Post by **VicDiesel** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:37 pm

Timbre wrote:it crashes FLSTUDIO and ABLETON, any fix for this ?

Has anyone used it in Logic 7.2.2? I get an error, no crash.

Victor.

Motion · Post by **Motion** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:07 pm

I just downloaded latest trial release for Win on XP OS and is now working in T2,Live 5.2,Phrazor,Minihost,FL6....so hope it's sorted also for others who had the same bug.

Thanks Pianoteq!

So far from just going crazy with the features it's absoloutely amazing what this piano can do!!!and it plays beautifully with you.

I have been after a totally physically modelled piano for donkeys.

Congratulations!....a bit of history in the making with this.

djdorian · Post by **djdorian** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:25 pm

benjamind wrote:If they dropped the price to E200 then it would be a key buy, but at the current price it's just a tad steep. Still, a physically modelled piano is amazing to say the least. I'm sure to buy this once they refine it a bit. Probably by next year when I buy a few VSTs and the Blue Sky MediaDesk 2.1 system with some decent acoustic room treatment. By then things might be better. But right now the midrange quality is slightly lacking. It could sound a bit fuller but just doesn't. Maybe something like HarmoniEQ and Marquis applied to this piano would help a bit.

True, but it'd be better to have full, natural harmonics to begin with, rather than having to modify them with DSP such as EQs. With an EQ you will usually be adding in artifacts or taking out natural subtleties to/from the sound along with overtones you desire.

(Just like real grands, to achieve natural & professional acoustic sound, it has to already be good enough so that minimal if any processing is needed for it to fit the mix and/or solo.)

The best improvements to the timbre are the ones that developers will (hopefully) make themselves, by updating the algorithm. And as this is a new product, it will be a while before it reaches A+++ world class quality, but it's already very good.

I should probably add that another thing this VST has going for it is its extensive simulation of real world acoustic phenomenon. Far beyond anything that I've ever heard programmed into any sample set or digital piano. It sounds better than Rolan Fantom, Yamaha Clavinova, and mmalmsjo.sf2 !!!

Pianoteq · Post by **Pianoteq** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:30 pm

Hi everyone,

Thanks again for your input.

We have now fixed most (or all) of the bugs in the trial versions (both PC and Mac version). You can download these on our site. There are no bugs present in the full versions as far as we can see.

Fixes described below:
(some of the error messages that appeared)

"Assertion failed!"
"Fourierbmp.cc Line 609"
"Houston problem"
"Mysterious bug2"

We welcome more bug reports via the support form on our site.

Regards,
Niclas Fogwall
Sales & support
Pianoteq
www.pianoteq.com

djdorian · Post by **djdorian** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:34 pm

DaGu wrote:I think Pianoteq is a tremendous achievement.

We all got used to work with piano romplers, which means that we hear a piano that HAS BEEN RECORDED, so that the mic's the pre's the converters etc... are a part of the sounds. Not to mention that a piano rompler is actually a mix of single keys recordings, which is totally different from the sound of a bunch of keys pressed altogether. Pianoteq doesn't try to mimic a recording but tries to give the experience of standing near a piano.

I made an audition, playing Pianoteq alongside Old Lady and Ivory's Bosendorfer. It's a totally different experience. Pianoteq feels like playing an instrument and gives a feeling of infinity while playing the sampled pianos feels immediately like repeating the same recordings over and over again.

But I'm not saying that Pianoteq's sound is already there. Maybe it's a matter of presets programming, but I feel that Pianoteq is a bit too "pale" compared to a real piano. I'm looking for some sortios of mid-range quality which I can't find it Pianoteq yet.

I'm really curious to see where this thing is going. I'm a potential client of the software but the price seems a bit too high for me right now.

VERY TRUE.

Indeed, our perceptions are based to a large extent on what we are accustomed to. In fact I know someone who actually complained about the "grand" piano sound that defaults with the Yamaha Clav, and said they like the "pop" piano preset better! (And by pop piano, I'm referring to one that sounds bright, thin, and hard, like you'd hear in a modern (non-classical) album mix after DSP.

After a certain amount of time, I gradually began to agree with them. So yeah, conditioning has a profound effect on opinion and esthetics.

djdorian · Post by **djdorian** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:37 pm

Pianoteq wrote:Hi everyone,

Thanks again for your input.

We have now fixed most (or all) of the bugs in the trial versions (both PC and Mac version). You can download these on our site.

Fixes described below:
(some of the error messages that appeared)

"Assertion failed!"
"Fourierbmp.cc Line 609"
"Houston problem"
"Mysterious bug2"

We welcome more bug reports via the support form on our site.

Regards,
Niclas Fogwall
Sales & support
Pianoteq
www.pianoteq.com

Great job guys.

By the way, is it possible to release a version of the demo that does not require the use of an installer? (In other words, a single ".dll" file?)

VicDiesel · Post by **VicDiesel** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:48 pm

Pianoteq wrote: We have now fixed most (or all) of the bugs in the trial versions (both PC and Mac version). You can download these on our site.

That was quick. It now works correctly in Logic both as AU and wrapped VST.

Victor.

Pianoteq · Post by **Pianoteq** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:08 pm

djdorian wrote:Great job guys.

By the way, is it possible to release a version of the demo that does not require the use of an installer? (In other words, a single ".dll" file?)

No, sorry, it is currently not possible.

Niclas Fogwall
Sales & support
Pianoteq
www.pianoteq.com

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