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Bill OC · Post by **Bill OC** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:31 pm

djdorian wrote:I don't understand why some people can't seem to appreciate the technological achievement that has been made here. This is the first time anything like this has been done (with sonically pleasing results, anyway!) There's been like 1 or 2 other predecessors to this PM piano, but this is the first realistic sounding PM piano!

Give credit where credit is due, this thing is freakin' cool!

I wrote the developers and told them just that. It is nothing short of amazing to model a grand piano this way. A milestone has been reached.

Regards,

Bill OC

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:44 pm

I never thought that anyone would get as close as this thing is TBH. It sure seems like alot of math.

Eiosis · Post by **Eiosis** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:44 am

I tried the demo and I found it particularly impressive. I maybe found the attacks to be a little synthetic, but it depends a lot from how the sound is tweaked. Maybe the attacks are more suited to a classical piano playing, rather than jazz/latin or rock playing.

Anyway, when mixed in a song, I found it great. EQing is also giving great results with a Pianoteq track (which is not always the case with some virtual instruments).

Last days, I also tried many digital stage pianos from different companies, and there is also these kind of differences in the sound : Yamaha piano sounds (P250 for example) has brillant and sharp attacks, suited to play latin jazz or rock, but maybe not very well suited to classical playing. I found Roland or Korg stage pianos to be softer. I was also impressed by the Clavia Nord Stage, its piano sound is absolutely amazing, as its keyboard.

But what I also like from Pianoteq, and that can not be found elsewhere, are the tweaking capabilities. I always dreamt about giving more or less hammer influence, more or less sustain, without equing or tweaking sustain parameters, which will give far less natural results than with Pianoteq. You can get some strange sounds, which always remains natural, so it is also a great tool for sound design.

Just my 2 cents.

Fabrice,
Eliosound

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:07 pm

For the developpers if they still read these pages

As a purely intellectual consideration :

Having the early knowledge of convincingly moddeling a grand piano, would this give you the ability by now , thru this first experience, to have a precise preconcieved idea on how to model :

- other kind of acoustic keyboards ( like Harpsichords or Clavichords, etc ... ) , or...

- Hammered strings instruments or similar ( Cimbalom, Santoor,. etc...) ?

this makes me very curious...

Cellomangler · Post by **Cellomangler** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:08 pm

I do hope they'll hammer this one on home and get it sounding real grand before they close the lid on the piano model... though I'm sure other models are possible -String Studio (applied-acoustics.com) is an amazing modeler for plucked as well as clav and harpsi sounds.

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:34 am

Cellomangler wrote: -String Studio (applied-acoustics.com) is an amazing modeler for plucked as well as clav and harpsi sounds.

thanks for the info...

i notice that the mentioned keyboard's emulations are so to say mechanically-plucked strings, does it mean that String Studio isn't actually designed to recreate hammered-strings instruments as well ?

benjamind · Post by **benjamind** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:10 am

IMHO String Studio is amazing...just needs a little work particularly on the violin/bowed model and of course the pianos. Everything else is quite good, but as always there is some room for improvement. I plan on getting the modelling collection. But I don't see myself making any new instruments with Tassman until it gets updated and that will be probably next year. The interface needs a good bit of work, but the models are very nice. But it needs a few more models, and it's been such a long time since it's been updated that I think those models that we're after (brass/reed/wind/resonators/conical bores/different sound cavities/etc) will hopefully be there when Tassman is finally updated. From what I recall, it's supposed to be released during spring. That's quite a while, at least 6 months anyway.

shanecgriffo · Post by **shanecgriffo** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:42 am

i've been playing the demo a few days now and just want to say that i really enjoy it .i've tried layering it with sample libraries too, for a 'big' sound and it works nicely.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:51 am

The piano's in String studio are nowehere near as good as this. Harm Visser did a reasonable Bar Piano patch for Tassman that I like - it's not close to this either but it is fun to play and sounds fairly like an old clapped out piano, especially the deeper notes and higher notes (the mid range is poorer - maybe that's hardest to model as Pianoteq is weakest in the mid range notes too)

Cellomangler · Post by **Cellomangler** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:48 pm

This topic's gettin' long in the tooth...but....
Last night I downloaded MP3 demos from the leading sampled pianos and Pianoteq and burned them onto a CD so I could listen on my regular stereo and in the car. I had been listening with some decent phones. This made a big difference. I found the Pianoteq demos to be a lot more listenable and organic than previously. I wonder why Pianoteq doesn't include more upbeat jazz pieces or rock as demos ? Are they a bit afraid to highlight those mid notes..? Here's an idea for a future version: How about making some of Pianoteq's adjustments selectable over an area of the keyboard, like the ramping up of a filter or EQ ?
For instance, what if you could make the "Piano Length" factor more intense for mid notes and less intense on the low and high notes ? The same could be done for unison width -you could add more detuning between string trios as you went further up the board. Hey..but what do I know. I'm a guitar player... (but I like to tickle 'em, too)

meatwalker · Post by **meatwalker** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:03 am

just tried this last night have to say that i think their comment that this is a revolutionary instrument is justified. miles ahead of lounge lizard.

i did notice the middle range was a bit weak but the low and high registers r fantastic. hopefully the developer will implement full scala tuning file support. definitely the best pm synth so far...

Improv · Post by **Improv** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:06 am

meatwalker wrote: miles ahead of lounge lizard.

How so? LL is a PM of an ep. Pianoteq's a pm of an acoustic, 'real' piano.

meatwalker · Post by **meatwalker** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:48 am

i realise that. in terms of the authenticity of the model, pianoteq is way more convincing as an acoustic piano than ep-3 is for an electric piano.

meatwalker · Post by **meatwalker** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:52 am

Improv wrote:
i'm a poncy ass licking fag

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:55 am

meatwalker wrote:
Improv wrote:
you are awfully unpolite dude, do you know that !?

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( i thought this needed some "Improvment" what do you think folks ? )

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