Muzys = Abandonware?

[sadhaka]

I know - but all the same what they did to your great work was criminal - its absurd that company's can get away with such destructive vandalism and yet when an honest person speaks out he gets sued.

Listen, they did nothing wrong, legally.

Of course, from the creative point of view, i was (like many others) very disappointed with how things evolved.

LEGALLY! what a joke, the law is there to protect the bloody politicians and criminals. personally i don't see much difference between the two.

if you know law well enough you can get away with a great deal, just like most corporations and the like do.

these companies don't give a flying f**k about anyone except themselves. they pretend to for obvious reasons but that's it. they destroyed muzys for personal gain in some way, selfish reasons that's all that comes into it. it doesn't matter how you dress it up, as no doubt they will, it was selfish to destroy what many people thought was an excellent program.

you say LUNA will be better than Muzys, but if Muzys was still in development,(how long's it been, 2, 3 years) how much it would've improved by now!

I know there's not much use moaning but it makes me angry how money allows you to do what you like and f**k everyone else!

[sadhaka]

LUNA can stream audio from disk, Muzys couldn't.

I read that only a fool would do this, i don't know why though.

is this a good thing then? why?

[jens]

LUNA can stream audio from disk, Muzys couldn't.

I read that only a fool would do this, i don't know why though.

is this a good thing then? why?

because it doesn't eat up your ram - .wav-files tend to be quite big...


if you are using just a few samples here and there then it's not important for you of course but if you are regularly recording stuff then it's a big deal...

[bool]

LEGALLY! what a joke, the law is there to protect the bloody politicians and criminals. personally i don't see much difference between the two.

Meat is murder.
Law is murder. LEGALLY. (stripped of eufemisms)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law

[james0tucson]

ahhhh... no.

jax, look it up on the net, if you want to get the meaning sans agenda

"Abandonware" has no legal meaning. The relevant law is all in the application of copyright law, period, and my explanation was far closer than any I have seen here.

Just because a copyright holder stops publishing a work, that does not grant any rights to anyone else nor does it surrender any rights for the coypright holder, period.

In the US, copyright protections run their term no matter how much others would like that to change.

But the popular concept of "abandonware" DOES follow this pattern:

If I write a book and you enjoy it, then if I don't answer your fan mail, the book should become public domain.

Try this discussion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abandonware

If you still feel comfortable distributing "abandonware" after reading it, I'd suggest you read it again.

[sadhaka]

copyrights are for the greedy.

i see no purpose in copyright other than to stop people using your work for personal gain. but if you make your work freely available people respect that just as freeware is showing us.

if i made something, whether a design or physically created nothing would make me happier than to share it. we are getting too self centred in the west, "this is mine", "that's yours". childish games that adults play, thinking that they are mature when most wouldn't know it if it smacked them in the face with a wet sponge!

if you respect laws you do nothing but imprison yourself with limitations.

[Ja.x]

ahhhh... no.

jax, look it up on the net, if you want to get the meaning sans agenda

I know what 'abandonware' is suposed to mean. I just don't get that people think that it's OK to get it by 'alternate' means when there doesn't seem to be anybody to set a crowd of lawyers chasing you. Apps don't get into public domain just because no one seems to be developping or suporting it anymore; in this case Muzys is dead but somebody still owns the rights over it. The bottom line is that labelling an app 'abandonware' isn't more than wishful thinking.

[Ja.x]

sadhaka!!!! !!!!! Read what you just wrote, take a long breath to allow some oxygen in your brain, read it again, and repeat the procedure over and over until you realize the ultimate meaning of your post.

Devs or musicians or sound designers that actually give away their work for free have all my respect. People who claim that if they did something they would give it for free are just fools, in the best case scenario. Just do something worthy, and when it's ready think it over if you feel like giving it away or if you deserve some return.

[sadhaka]

And? What's wrong?

Other than your perception. you just proved what i say to be true!

why shouldn't it be free? why don't you give it away? i'll tell you why; because you are like most people, please don't be offended as that's not my aim, you are brought into this world and you accept it's beliefs, its ways, its very fabrication. you do not question the way things are as they make you feel safe, secure. your existence isn't under threat. so you grow up thinking that what's mine stays mine, no-one shall have it unless there's something in it for me.

you may not be conscious of it, most people aren't. fear and jealousy make a major part of most peoples conscious thought though they don't see it. fear that they might lose something and jealous that others are better. truth is no-one is better and you can't lose what you don't have. you'll probably not understand the meaning of that unless you understand philosophy.

do you know right from wrong? i'm sure you do, as do most. what is wrong with everything being free, you mean people wouldn't work or there'd be chaos? not necessarily, as those that didn't contribute would be known and shamed by society.

maybe YOU'D want something for your creation, that's YOUR perception, we all differ. for your information i designed a new piece of hardware and have others i planned on designing, but i wasted 18 months designing the first. why? because when i sent it to Korg and then to Roland it was turned down as i don't have it patented. this costs several hundred pounds which i haven't got and didn't want to pay. i sent the design in for the simple reason i was more interested in actually owning the hradware i designed than money. is that 'worthy' enough for you PAL?

perhaps it was my fault for not stating this in my previous post?!

life may be centred around money, but that doesn't mean you have to centre YOUR life around it. that makes you a slave to it. personally i'm happier just having enough to live on, maybe you can't understand this but it is the truth. there's more to life.

your comments most welcome, but please don't take offense, there's really no need. you have your beliefs, i have mine this is just about an interaction, a sharing of them that's nothing to be offended by.

one last thing, i'm not just talking about abandonware or copyright but more generally than that, i'm talking about the way we are with such things. society isn't everyone else, it's you and me. who we are determines the direction society takes. wouldn't you like everything to be free? for life to have less restrictions on what you can and can't do? i bet my £2000 pc you would! (in case you were gonna throw that back at me, it's off a catalogue and not even paid for yet!) i live my life as honestly as possible and treat everyone i encounter with the respect i'd like in return. don't you?

take care

[Ja.x]

... why shouldn't it be free? why don't you give it away? ...


... for your information i designed a new piece of hardware and have others i planned on designing, but i wasted 18 months designing the first. why? because when i sent it to Korg and then to Roland it was turned down as i don't have it patented. this costs several hundred pounds which i haven't got and didn't want to pay. i sent the design in for the simple reason i was more interested in actually owning the hradware i designed than money. is that 'worthy' enough for you PAL?

You mean that you wanted Korg or Roland to build you a piece of hardware according to your specs? For free? Why haven't you offered your projects to those companies... for free, without expecting anything in return?

[Mighty Pea]

copyrights are for the greedy.
we are getting too self centred in the west, "this is mine", "that's yours". childish games that adults play, thinking that they are mature when most wouldn't know it if it smacked them in the face with a wet sponge!

As opposed to hundreds of years ago... in the west, where they gave everything they made away?
As opposed to today, in the east... where they give everything they make away?
As opposed to hundreds of years ago... in the east, where they gave everything they made away?

Don't pull out the pre-teen philosophy, please.

[Ja.x]

By the way, sadhaka, I appreciate your comments on my music. You can verify that one of my tracks in myspace.com page can only be listened to, but you can freely download the other three tracks. Why? Because it's my work and I have the right to decide what to do with it, that's why. I don't mind people download those tracks, and don't expect anyhing in return; but I wouldn't like to see someone doing a remix on any of them without my permission.

Back to topic, don't forget that assuming that a certain software is 'abandonware' (if there realy existed such a thing) wouldn't only mean that you could use it freely; would also mean that you could use bits of it's code.

[sadhaka]

By the way, sadhaka, I appreciate your comments on my music. You can verify that one of my tracks in myspace.com page can only be listened to, but you can freely download the other three tracks. Why? Because it's my work and I have the right to decide what to do with it, that's why. I don't mind people download those tracks, and don't expect anyhing in return; but I wouldn't like to see someone doing a remix on any of them without my permission.

to be honest i'm very much a novice in music making, but i enjoy it even though i know i will probably never be able to make anything half decent like Ja.x. but if i could why would i sell it i've pretty much got everything i could ever want, materialistically speaking.

Back to topic, don't forget that assuming that a certain software is 'abandonware' (if there realy existed such a thing) wouldn't only mean that you could use it freely; would also mean that you could use bits of it's code.

i didnt actually say anything about abandonware. all i actually said was that those c**ts who took muzys and killed it may have done so legally but they hide behind that. it was immoral, i feel, due to the amount of bods that liked the app. that's all there was to that.

[sadhaka]

As opposed to hundreds of years ago... in the west, where they gave everything they made away?
As opposed to today, in the east... where they give everything they make away?
As opposed to hundreds of years ago... in the east, where they gave everything they made away?

Don't pull out the pre-teen philosophy, please.

your mentality is shown by your signature, immature!!!

[Chris Roberson]

copyrights are for the greedy.

i see no purpose in copyright other than to stop people using your work for personal gain. but if you make your work freely available people respect that just as freeware is showing us.

if i made something, whether a design or physically created nothing would make me happier than to share it. we are getting too self centred in the west, "this is mine", "that's yours". childish games that adults play, thinking that they are mature when most wouldn't know it if it smacked them in the face with a wet sponge!

if you respect laws you do nothing but imprison yourself with limitations.

You know, some of us have to make a living off of programming. That being said, "copyrights are for the greedy" is a rather assanine and narrow-minded statement. I give away my software instruments for free, but that's because it's a relatively simple task to make them for me and it's just a hobby pastime compared to my other work. But there are so many factors beyond that that constitute being greedy, like sure I may have the copyright, but will I charge for my product after I get it? And how hard will I hunt down and legally go after people when I think they are nearing my design?

So come one mate, think a bit before you say something like that.