Direct X support?

[stevieb19]

"IMHO a good rule of thumb is that an "upgrade" to an existing piece of software should have backwards compatibility"

try tellin that one to logic users - hasnt been like this for a while - in fact arent osx upgrades like this too

"and with Logic having AU as well as VST"

and what version of logic has vst and au - answer none

au ONLY - but there is a solution - you use a wrapper !

Now that's a bloody good point!

[HanafiH]

i'm also proud of the past of my country, very proud indeed, even the bad bits are the coolest IMO.
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to what "bad bits" are you referring and how could they POSSIBLY be cool in anyway...

I think he's Portugese. Worst roads, wines and pavements in Europe. Fish is OK.

[Alan]

no current dx plugs will work in a 64 bit app on a 64 bit os - it's dead OK

Neither will most older 32 bit VST plugs unless you have something like Cakewalk's Bit Bridge,and for the record, Cakewalk and Izotope have rewritten their DX plugs in the 64 bit version to work both in 64 bit OS's and apps. Anyone upgrading currently to a 64 bit OS and App will have to worry about all their plugs, not just DX, but I'm sure Steinberg will update their internal VST wrapper to accomodate 32 bit Vst plugs eventually in a 64 bit OS/App. Digidesign will probably make their customers buy new RTAS and TDM plugins all over again.

[Jason Brian Merrill]

i'm also proud of the past of my country, very proud indeed, even the bad bits are the coolest IMO.
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to what "bad bits" are you referring and how could they POSSIBLY be cool in anyway...

I think he's Portugese. Worst roads, wines and pavements in Europe. Fish is OK.

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[z_old_account]

The DirectX plugin format is definitely dead and absolete. The most important formats are VST on Windows and AU on Mac.

[Alan]

what version of logic has vst and au - answer none

au ONLY - but there is a solution - you use a wrapper !

They at least have FXPansions VST to AU wrapper, Windows has the old bugged out VB wrapper and a new freebie that's bugged out as well. I wouldn't use either one personally. Anyway, my sympathy goes to Steinberg users at the moment. Having a choice between having the rug pulled or not upgrading isn't much fun, especially when it's not up front and you have a substantial investment in both Steinberg and DX plugins.

[stag]

i'm also proud of the past of my country, very proud indeed, even the bad bits are the coolest IMO.
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to what "bad bits" are you referring and how could they POSSIBLY be cool in anyway...

I think he's Portugese. Worst roads, wines and pavements in Europe. Fish is OK.

I'm spaniard, from Vigo.
The bad bits... well every time we took it...ahem... up the ass, figuratively speaking.
But, yeha, we manage to hang around still.
No need to get personal, guys. Disliking countries policies and governmments that's one thing now mixing it with DX support that's another.
Only a genius like our Kadafhi would think of that... Doesn't anybody thougth that dropping DX had anything to do with the friggin dragable inserts, uh? you brave engineers! let me know!

oh! BTW that dragable insert feature really messes with my nerves, Steinberg seems to want to transform C4 on the newbies playground.

[Jason Brian Merrill]

now, dragging and dropping inserts, what would that have anything to do with anything? PDC issues?

[HanafiH]

now, dragging and dropping inserts, what would that have anything to do with anything? PDC issues?

I suppose that's possible but I't seems a bit rum to me that the order of plugins would effect the sum total of their PDC such that reordering them would change it.

Tensions is definitely rising over at Cubase.not, as the refusal of Steinberg to confirm the DX drop is permanent or not, or will supply a wrapper or not, or will just tell people to like it or lump it or not, drags on and on. Nothing like a clear management decision, for showing the direction forwards. And Steinberg has nothing like a clear managemnet decision available, or not.

Meanwhile, here's a little number from Stag, who is going to sing us a rustic fable of the fisher folk, in which Pedro the Pearl fisher longs for his childhood sweetheart Charlierina Steinbergio, and yearns for the happy days when he would strum her cordwangle with his dongle. Take it away Stag…

[ericj23]

no current dx plugs will work in a 64 bit app on a 64 bit os - it's dead OK

Neither will most older 32 bit VST plugs unless you have something like Cakewalk's Bit Bridge,and for the record, Cakewalk and Izotope have rewritten their DX plugs in the 64 bit version to work both in 64 bit OS's and apps. Anyone upgrading currently to a 64 bit OS and App will have to worry about all their plugs, not just DX, but I'm sure Steinberg will update their internal VST wrapper to accomodate 32 bit Vst plugs eventually in a 64 bit OS/App. Digidesign will probably make their customers buy new RTAS and TDM plugins all over again.

but my point is more that now is the time to ditch direct x plug-ins - 64 bit is coming - you just can't avoid it - you cant buy a non 64 bit proecessor anymore - windows vista comes early next year - you dont get the best out of os x without 64 bit processing - yes they all have legacy fall backs but that is what direct x plug-ins are - a legacy - some point very soon everyone will be working in 64 bits - in the next two years or so the big guns will stop making 32 bit vst entirely - all your old plug-ins will be gone

name me one manufacturer of direct x only plugs that will update to 64 bit without having a vst version

I'm pretty sure there arent any

if you must use something old you get a wrapper

PS logic's removal of vst was much, much worse than steinbergs removal of direct x - lets face it no-one has entire projects of direct x plugs - everyone has lots of projects all of vsts - and their own plugs couldn't read old projects either

yet oddly lots of people could be found on forums telling everyone how great this was !

[stag]

Okay Kadafhi, I'll go at Red Rooster site and ask them about when they get of the wagon and pull off their own plug protocol instead of pimping other's work.

Look at it they are gone got ya!!!

[HanafiH]

Direct X Plug-in support in Cubase 4 and Cubase Studio 4

With our industry in a period of extensive technological change and the demands on native audio applications becoming ever more complex, we have been at work for many months on upgrading the VST standard to a new level. This has produced a state-of-the-art, fully future-ready interface technology with many new built-in capabilities in the form of VST3. Cubase 4 and Cubase Studio 4 are the first applications to support this new standard. On top of the many capabilities that have made VST such a successful technology, VST3 offers enhanced efficiency, dynamic I/O routing and many other exciting features that will become widely available in the future with the release of the SDK.

The move to VST3 requires an extensive reengineering of many core aspects of a complex product like Cubase. In the development of any major DAW product, we have to make a realistic appraisal of the viability of supporting legacy technologies. This is made even more important when considering a technology that offers no practical benefit over other technologies already supported in a particular product.

When we introduced DirectX plug-in support many years ago, there was a comparatively large range of plug-ins available only for that platform. That range has dwindled over time to a very small number of plug-ins. Because of the extensive development work required to support and maintain DirectX in Cubase, we no longer feel that DirectX support is viable in the long-term for Cubase. That is why the PC versions of Cubase 4 and Cubase Studio 4 no longer support it.

We would also like to take this opportunity to apologize to those users who still use DirectX plug-ins for not giving advance notice of this decision, and for the uncertainty this may have caused. While our decision to end support for this legacy platform in Cubase was not easy, we are certain that it is clearly understandable why it became inevitable.

For users who wish to carry on using DirectX plug-ins, there are freeware and shareware wrappers available, which allow old DirectX plug-ins to be used in new Cubase projects. If you have any feedback on this subject, please let us know in this forum topic.

Thank you for your understanding,
Your Steinberg team

Yes! They went for the toast option.

[Jason Brian Merrill]

now, dragging and dropping inserts, what would that have anything to do with anything? PDC issues?

well, i seem to remember being able to drag and drop inserts in other programs quite easily.

tracktion, for one.

pretty sure in reaper as well.

[HanafiH]

Okay Kadafhi, I'll go at Red Rooster site and ask them about when they get of the wagon and pull off their own plug protocol instead of pimping other's work.

Look at it they are gone got ya!!!

OK Stag, I'm a happy man now. What the F is this Red Rooster you keep going on about. I know the Portugese have this thing about coats of arms, is something bad that happened down Rioja way? And BTW SPANISH wines are rather 'kin excellent.

[stag]

Red Rooster or something was the former name of Magix Samplitude, they change the name about 6.0.
I don't appreciate much Rioja, that's wine for girls. Castillian and Ribera del Duero wines that's the shit.