KVR DC 2006 Final Standings

[eidenk]

The results list now shows the whole final standings...

You know where to go. If you don't then click my sig.

Could the result list also show how many points each entrant got and what prize it wins ?

[duncanparsons]

I voted for the stuff I knew I would use often and liked the most. My five in order were EQ22, Lunchbox Battles, Fire, Pushtec, Repeatler. The top three were the easiest as I've used them almost ever day since I've first downloaded them. The final two were harder choices, as I had a list of around five or six that had to battle it out.

thx very much very kind of you to say so

DSP

[MopisKevin]

Wow, sixth?? What an honor..

(And I know it's been said already, but big congrats to Urs, Stefancrs, and mdsp. Those three plugs are all tons of fun and professionally assembled and you guys deserve the prize.)

[Chris Roberson]

I can't count how many times I've seen "Well, the plug is really buggy, lags when I switch presets, clicks when switching notes, but I think it'll get better in the future so I'll toss 5 points your way." What the heck is that? And suppose they drop the project in its buggy state, now they've got the benefits that you don't get anything back for.

I know that people have said similar things like the "quote" you wrote when it comes to Anna, so I feel it might be OK for me to post a reply here

First of all I'm not dropping the project at all. I'm so looking forward getting it completely stable and good performance-wise, and now that the competition is over I can also add more features that people have requested (didn't want to do that during the actual competition) which will be great fun.

What I don't see is how _I_ could benefit from dropping the project. It'd just damage mine and Outsims reputation, and I wouldn't get to develop Anna to what I really want it to become. If it's the money you mean, this competition was never about money, at least not for me. If one would look at the hourly wage this has produced, it'd be way better to just, whatever, do basically _any_ other paid work if one wanted to make money

I certainly don't doubt your product will become something awesome, hell find me when all is good and stabilized and I'll be glad to make patchbanks/demo songs for you to the best of my ability if you'd like, but I think at the moment it's not quality because it's not like the bugs show up every once in a while, they are a regular part of operation.

Also, in a much smaller less important aspect, imagine if I had made something from SE that was plagued by the same problems, I would get bashed left and right for being CPU hungry and having clicky signal processing. I already don't get any scruples for any GUI incarnation I make, but unless I'm mistaken your synth used the stock artwork with the SM environment? Like I said, not important really, but hopefully you see my point with that?

Nothing personal, but maybe one day you'll get to 'enjoy' he same malcontent as SE does just because of its name.

[Vonbrucken]

but I think at the moment it's not quality because it's not like the bugs show up every once in a while, they are a regular part of operation.

+1

CPU hungry and having clicky signal processing

this can qualify anna too
i hope this will be still in development after the contest
anyway the GUI is fantastic !

[Time Control]

unless I'm mistaken your synth used the stock artwork with the SM environment? Like I said, not important really, but hopefully you see my point with that?

Him being the designer of synthmaker - wouldn't that be his very own "stock GUI" .
Was yours not the Mini-Vyn with the outrageously sized GUI???
I'd call that a huge oversite (pun inteneded).

I think you should stop bitching. He built synthmaker! I know that has nothing to do with the entry but the 2nd is just his hard-work karma coming back.

My 27th was my "hardly any work" demon coming out. People who code their shit worked a lot harder than synthedit/synthmaker/MaxMSP users. Not to say that the plugins made with these "VST rendering" programs are not as good in any way, or that people should vote for the coded one just "because". People who work harder get ahead. That's how the world works.

The Synthedit/maker devs who entered the DC are most likely the ones who work hardest at Synthedit etc. That's why they will be in a few magz and the ones who didn't WORK HARD enough to get an entry in have 31 new programs and nothing more.

[Chris Roberson]

first off, the new GUI is released and has been since last Saturday:

http://blu-gruv.tripod.com/id27.html

I mentioned that a few different places on the forums.


And like I also tried to convey (apparently not clear enough?) was that this wasn't a big issue to me it's more of an example to get a point across that should I say have used the blue schemed stock GUI with SE it would've been shot to shit before it even was tried, but this being a relatively new environment it seems to get more slack.

I don't know, I don't have to like the results of this. Sure I'm not a swell person for that, but still not everyone will be happy and I'm one of them. I'll compete in other ones, I'll help out other devs with their products the best I can after the comps should they want it, but I'll think of it how i please.

[Majken]

but I think at the moment it's not quality because it's not like the bugs show up every once in a while, they are a regular part of operation.

Problem #1:
What you think is not what the 680 voters think. And they kind of decided that Anna was the second best product in the compeition. Are 500 of those voters from the SynthMaker forum? Who knows, and would it matter? Stefan did an excellent job at getting peoples attention and a plugin good enough for people to want to vote for him.

Problem #2:
This is a competition, Stefan is someone you're actually competing against, making your opinion extremely biased

Fact #1:
Someone actually did make an SE plugin with high cpu usage, crashing & bugs, long loadtimes, jerky preset changing and what not. He wasn't executed in public though, he came in at #8. And again, thanks for voting guys!

/Majken

[Time Control]

another note-
The Stock synthedit interface looks like garbage. In contrast the stock synthmaker interface looks excellent.
I think paranoid synthedit users are creating this whole anti-synthedit thing themselves.
Personally I am way more skeptical and biased against synthmaker projects than synthedit. I think that Anna being sketchy and buggy and cpu munchy will make people even more skeptical of Synthmaker. Has there been a decent non-buggy program that is extremely complex made in Synthmaker yet?
There cerainly have been countless excellent **BUG FREE** Synthedit releases for years now.

[stefancrs]

FWIW, I get where you guys are coming from and I graciously back out of this

PS. I'm not _the_ developer that built SynthMaker, I'm one out of three on the team, and I'm the one that joined the team most recently (a bit more than a year ago). DS.

[Time Control]

first off, the new GUI is released and has been since last Saturday:

I personally think the deadline should be the deadline - no updates until voting is done. That's what I was expecting here and was surprised that we were allowed to update after the cutoff.

If you wanna bitch about something, bitch about Balthor beating you. Lay off anna, the dude deserves our respect.

[Liquidclear]

I think the only reason anyone voted for Balthor was that it was at the top of the page.

[Time Control]

Yeah . . .
That must be it!!!
Mine starting with a Z would definately explain my low placement.
ha ha just kidding-

[shamann]

thx very much very kind of you to say so

Not at all, thank you. I absolutely love EQ22. I had it originally at second but pushed it up mid-month (sorry Bram) after I started using it extensively.

[Chris Roberson]

first off, the new GUI is released and has been since last Saturday:

I personally think the deadline should be the deadline - no updates until voting is done. That's what I was expecting here and was surprised that we were allowed to update after the cutoff.

If you wanna bitch about something, bitch about Balthor beating you. Lay off anna, the dude deserves our respect.

I felt the same way at first, but when i saw plenty of other devs do it I decided I should to, thought maybe it'd even my odds or at least put me on the same playing field. I don't think it helped that much, obviously not many people even noticed it in the forums when I posted it around.

But overall, it comes down to opinions, and as long as we're cool with everyone actually being allowed to have an opinion on this rather than having to like the majority's (whether it is or not) opinion, that's good enough for me.

I don't care for some of the high-scoring plugs in this comp, many people don't and won't care at all about my plug, but hey I can't force them to, so please don't try to make me say that the others are some fantastic end-all-be-all plugs okie?


And like I said Stefan, I'd love to patch your synth if you're interested. I'm not on a witch hunt here, so no hard feelings I hope.