Last night I was browsing the web and the forums here looking for some more free plugins and suggestions for commercial ones. I downloaded about 10 more plugins and installed them in my overpopulated vst folder that currently contains over 200 dlls. I made a note on a pad to try them out the next day. I regularly install plugins and end up forgetting what they are called or what they do. Most plugins have a catchy name that may or may not give an indication as to what they do.
While browsing and installing various vsts I had my iPod next to me and was enjoying some tunes when it hit me. What if we could tag our vsts in tracktion? I'm thinking of something like an ID3 or an APE tag that we use with mp3s. The tag doesn't need to be attached to the dll but could just be a xml list within Tracktion. I tend to keep my vst folder organized by manufacturer \ instrument or effect. I have thought in the past about reorganizing it by kind (synth, sampler, dynamics, compressor) but this wouldn't work with plugins that have multiple fields (eg. voxformer). What if we could tag our vsts and have the ability to search like in iTunes or to brows by type? This feature could be integrated into the new loop browser in T3.
Tracktion Feature Request
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- KVRAF
- 1855 posts since 21 Sep, 2004 from Musician, Recording Engineer, Producer
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Dunno if the loop browser is the right place for it, but maybe! I'm more interested in being able to arbitrarily change my organizational tree without actually moving the plug-ins themselves. Renaming plug-ins as I see fit (rare, but it happens!) would also be nice. I think that there's a VST XML that already allows for stuff like this (if I'm understanding correctly which I may not be), but nobody's used it effectively yet. Maybe T could be the first?
+1, in any event, to the general idea, though I think the specifics could be hammered out.
+1, in any event, to the general idea, though I think the specifics could be hammered out.
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- KVRAF
- 2495 posts since 18 May, 2004 from ATL-USA
+1
This is a great idea!
I once tried to organize all my misc vsts into dirs and then I had some problems with T recognizing some so I've had to move things around a bit (some plugs don't init in T if they are in subdirs, which of course is mainly amateur fx and what not).
It would be great to see my own notes hovering over the highlighted plug (similar to pop-up help).
Voice To Self: "So what is fortune synth again"
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Note to Self: Try this synth you slacker....5 star rating on kvr
Voice To Self: Ahhh....yes...forgot all about that one...
This is a great idea!
I once tried to organize all my misc vsts into dirs and then I had some problems with T recognizing some so I've had to move things around a bit (some plugs don't init in T if they are in subdirs, which of course is mainly amateur fx and what not).
It would be great to see my own notes hovering over the highlighted plug (similar to pop-up help).
Voice To Self: "So what is fortune synth again"
{mouse hover}
Note to Self: Try this synth you slacker....5 star rating on kvr
Voice To Self: Ahhh....yes...forgot all about that one...
Anti-aliasing is for "synthmonk%ys".
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- KVRAF
- 1820 posts since 28 Mar, 2005
if we keep adding FR, at this rate tracktion will cost $200 a box by T4. ill be forced to use one of my other softwares. cant afford them all. need the others more. what to do?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1855 posts since 21 Sep, 2004 from Musician, Recording Engineer, Producer
I'm thinking something like meta tags for your vsts.
It could work something like this:
Voxengo Voxformer - (tag) De-esser, Compressor, Exciter, Vocal strip, EQ
Voxengo Chrunchessor - Compressor
Sir - Reverb, Impulse
Ohmboys - Delay, Filter
Buz Comp CP5- Compressor
etc...
With meta tags you could just search for something like Compressor then all vsts tagged with that word will show up, including ones that are more than just a compressor like Voxformer. If you did a query for deessers then Voxformer would show up there as well.
It could work something like this:
Voxengo Voxformer - (tag) De-esser, Compressor, Exciter, Vocal strip, EQ
Voxengo Chrunchessor - Compressor
Sir - Reverb, Impulse
Ohmboys - Delay, Filter
Buz Comp CP5- Compressor
etc...
With meta tags you could just search for something like Compressor then all vsts tagged with that word will show up, including ones that are more than just a compressor like Voxformer. If you did a query for deessers then Voxformer would show up there as well.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1855 posts since 21 Sep, 2004 from Musician, Recording Engineer, Producer
Maybe you could have a search bar at the top of the plugin tree. When you enter in a query, all plugins that do not contain that tag wouldn't be visible, including their containing folders? If a folder contained multiple vsts with just one conforming to the query, Then the subfolder would still be visible in the tree but only the plugin that corresponds to the query would be visible in the subfolder. I'm thinking something like iTunes here. You start typing then tings start popping off the list. You could also query a plugin by name. Sometimes I forget where a certain plugin is located in my elaborate subdirectory and this would help with that.Lunch Money wrote:Dunno if the loop browser is the right place for it, but maybe! I'm more interested in being able to arbitrarily change my organizational tree without actually moving the plug-ins themselves. Renaming plug-ins as I see fit (rare, but it happens!) would also be nice. I think that there's a VST XML that already allows for stuff like this (if I'm understanding correctly which I may not be), but nobody's used it effectively yet. Maybe T could be the first?
+1, in any event, to the general idea, though I think the specifics could be hammered out.
As I stated earlier in my previous post; I'm just thinking out of the box with this one. I do not feel that this is a feature that I must have or anything like that. I love tracktion and thoroughly enjoy it as a host. This is just one of those hair brained ideas of mine that I come up with every once and a while, and if it worked that would be awesome. I think that this feature would put tracktion over the top for ease of use.
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- KVRAF
- 4054 posts since 8 Jan, 2005 from Hamilton, New Zealand
There's this thing called directories...
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1855 posts since 21 Sep, 2004 from Musician, Recording Engineer, Producer
I like the popup idea man! You could have T display the metadata stored in the tag. You could even have a comment field that you could write anything that you wanted. Eg. "tried out the demo of this synth. Not too impressed. May sound good on an 80s cover"etc...freeztar wrote:+1
This is a great idea!
I once tried to organize all my misc vsts into dirs and then I had some problems with T recognizing some so I've had to move things around a bit (some plugs don't init in T if they are in subdirs, which of course is mainly amateur fx and what not).
It would be great to see my own notes hovering over the highlighted plug (similar to pop-up help).
Voice To Self: "So what is fortune synth again"
{mouse hover}
Note to Self: Try this synth you slacker....5 star rating on kvr
Voice To Self: Ahhh....yes...forgot all about that one...
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1855 posts since 21 Sep, 2004 from Musician, Recording Engineer, Producer
I use directories myself. but with over 200 vsts I often have to stop and think for a few seconds about where it is located. I'm also A.D.D. so I often forget details. There are also many plugs that do not conform to a standard directory. Like I said before, I'm happy to keep working like this and am not ripping on tracktion at all. I just think that this could augment the directory structure that is already in tracktion. It's just a brainstorming idea, not a complaint.metamorphosis wrote:There's this thing called directories...
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
I think it's a great FR. The browser's not even the worst place to put it, it's just so physically far removed... on the complete opposite side of where filters are dragged and dropped.
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- KVRist
- 72 posts since 21 Apr, 2004
pretty nice idea.
& would be nicely surrounded by having the ability to mark favorite presets in the preset-list window - maybe have them underlayed with a different color then, plus have them automatically listed first in the list, what would be especially useful for 1000+ preset monsters - or even better to have the possibility to save own presets (like it is already possible but) in a more organized and not song-bound way like in named groups ie and THEN load plugins directly by selecting a specific preset rather than search & load a plugin & search & load a preset & etc.pp...
& would be nicely surrounded by having the ability to mark favorite presets in the preset-list window - maybe have them underlayed with a different color then, plus have them automatically listed first in the list, what would be especially useful for 1000+ preset monsters - or even better to have the possibility to save own presets (like it is already possible but) in a more organized and not song-bound way like in named groups ie and THEN load plugins directly by selecting a specific preset rather than search & load a plugin & search & load a preset & etc.pp...
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1855 posts since 21 Sep, 2004 from Musician, Recording Engineer, Producer
Bump!
Seariously guys. Would you like a feature like this? I think it would really speed up my workflow. Imagine just typing in 'reverb' and instantly seeing all of your reverb plugins in one list, or typing in Voxengo and seeing every Voxengo plugin including your voxengo reverbs in one list. I know that you can make folder directories but they are static. Sonething like this would be totally dynamic and intuitive. Imagine having a mp3 player without id3 tag support. I had one like this and it was fine but when I updated to an iPod I realized how fast it was to find that song or genre. Tracktion could do the same with vsts. My vst collection rivals some people's mp3 collection. I am currently at 364 vsts and growing. A feature like this would put Tracktion over the top imho. Like I said, this is just an idea and a suggestion, not a demand or complaint(I am a visionary at heart). I'm just thinking outside the box on this one.
-Doug
Seariously guys. Would you like a feature like this? I think it would really speed up my workflow. Imagine just typing in 'reverb' and instantly seeing all of your reverb plugins in one list, or typing in Voxengo and seeing every Voxengo plugin including your voxengo reverbs in one list. I know that you can make folder directories but they are static. Sonething like this would be totally dynamic and intuitive. Imagine having a mp3 player without id3 tag support. I had one like this and it was fine but when I updated to an iPod I realized how fast it was to find that song or genre. Tracktion could do the same with vsts. My vst collection rivals some people's mp3 collection. I am currently at 364 vsts and growing. A feature like this would put Tracktion over the top imho. Like I said, this is just an idea and a suggestion, not a demand or complaint(I am a visionary at heart). I'm just thinking outside the box on this one.
-Doug
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
I like the "pare down your collection" approach, but I do think there's a place for this. Whoops, I already added my +1 and you're probably looking for new supporters.
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- KVRAF
- 1884 posts since 9 Feb, 2004 from Rochester, MN
+1
Tags are great. I'd love to reorganize my music collection using tags, since the current folder-based approach is so limiting. The same idea applies to VSTs. It would be even cooler if tagging was somehow standardized in the VST spec so that developers could specify their own tags, in addition to user chosen tags, but that's probably just wishful thinking.
Tags are great. I'd love to reorganize my music collection using tags, since the current folder-based approach is so limiting. The same idea applies to VSTs. It would be even cooler if tagging was somehow standardized in the VST spec so that developers could specify their own tags, in addition to user chosen tags, but that's probably just wishful thinking.
