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[[t]weed]

Since it's pretty clear that this 'plugin' doesn't exist, the only possible source of the samples is something other than this 'plugin'.

Call me Sherlock!

As I said before, NI is 'working' very hard. But heck, they are kinda good, don't you think, Sherlock?!?

[Hink]

I really don't understand why some people take things totally out of context.

In that doubler topic we were talking about vocal doubling and other processing techniques.
Until:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... eda88a9943

You're full of shit Rene.

Amberience, so far you, like many others got all of my plug-ins for free,
or for less than peanuts.
What do I get in return ?
Shit...

bduffy, I must admit, because of comments like the one above,
I lost a lot of energy and pasion about the amp sim.
There are a few people that already play and use my amplifier for quite some time.
I was not joking six months or more ago, that the amplifier is basically finished.
I am really building this amplifier for people who are passionate about
guitar sound and recording.
The others can use guitar rig or amplish..em..tube.

So my comment was indirectly directed to the person who insulted me without any reason in a absolutely not guitar related topic.

I hope this clears things up now and makes my reaction more understandable.

In NO way, I meant to insult or attack anybody.

well in that case you should apologize for your words being taken out of context...they were inflammatory

There are a few people that already play and use my amplifier for quite some time.
I was not joking six months or more ago, that the amplifier is basically finished.

I am really building this amplifier for people who are passionate about
guitar sound and recording.

is it wrong to read that and think that if I do not have it already like those who have been using it I'm not passionate enough? Not passionate enough because why? Because I question your ethics? It would seem to me that those of us who keep this going might just be more passionate and should be your target right now, convince the biggest doubters and the rest will fall in place nicely...but for you to react to Andy is a warning sign as well...no matter what you're going to meet tough criticism and if you can't handle it you should step aside. Perhaps this business is not for you.

Before someone calls me childish again let state with absolute certainty that I'm not talking trash here, I left music retail because I could not handle the cutthroat aspect of it...it's not me. There's no shame in admitting your shortcomings..simply why I have said many, many times get a real business partner. I know you say you have a group behind you...fine...then tell me why they won't come here and stick up for you? Do they not believe either? You seem to suggest you're a good businessman, please tell me where you have demonstrated that to us here Rene. Or should we just assume because I go by what is shown to me.

The more questions you raise, the more questions you're going to have to answer. You'll likely get a lot of business when and if you release this, but it's going to be very, very critical (even without all this drama you have brought on yourself)...if you do not have the backbone to handle comments like Andy's, then you need to think about it because there will be many more, no matter what. Other future customers will use how you handle those gripes in their purchasing decisions, make no mistake about that.

But why end the post by saying those who are not passionate should use something else? As I read that it says "if you are not using my pluggin then you're not passionate about recording guitars, because those who are truly passionate are using it now"...I'm not using it so I guess I'm not passionate in your eyes, that is a logical conclusion my friend.

Now was that offensive to say? Yes. Am I terribly offended? Of course not, most people know me and know that I won't allow anyone to judge my passion about my music, that would be my err. But when I'm thinking about a purchase (and make no mistake, I am) and I see that I wonder why would he alienate customers. I've been around the block enough times to take caution in dealing with someone I do not know. All I have is a few things to judge my opinion on and I have to go with my gut...I've said it before, but here are major red flags for me...take it or leave it, but you're getting it straight from a customer's point of view.

1. all the delays in releasing it.
2. all the constant changing excuses
3. using a free music page for your samples instead of a dedicated page (which wouldn't be as big a deal if you hadn't made a big deal about a free sim for designing a page)
4. your sig location "not far from Australia", shouldn't someone who wants my money be very upfront about where I can find him? A real business in this vein would have a well established locale be it virtual or physical...you? Not far from...not good enough.
5. How you deal with people here...sorry but it's offensive in nature, maybe not too me but towards others. When I see that I wonder why you have to go into attack mode.

I could list a lot more because I am a tough customer, I want my business to be appreciated, I do not want to feel like I should be beholding to someone for allowing me to buy their product. It appears you need us more than we need you. All five reasons above are good reason to be suspicious...put them all together and it's a huge red flag.

So let's approach this from a different angle, could you please (without putting down customers or other similar companies) list the reasons we should buy from you?

FWIW here's a model for you that would of worked for me this morning

So my comment was indirectly directed to the person who insulted me without any reason in a absolutely not guitar related topic.

I hope this clears things up now and makes my reaction more understandable.

In NO way, I meant to insult or attack anybody, I apologize to anyone who took it as an insult.

10 words, it's called tact and diplomacy...tools you need in this business..

[championrabbit]

Since it's pretty clear that this 'plugin' doesn't exist, the only possible source of the samples is something other than this 'plugin'.

Call me Sherlock!

As I said before, NI is 'working' very hard. But heck, they are kinda good, don't you think, Sherlock?!?

Ooh!

Yet another brand new forum member pops up in this thread!

Welcome!

[Hink]

Since it's pretty clear that this 'plugin' doesn't exist, the only possible source of the samples is something other than this 'plugin'.

Call me Sherlock!

As I said before, NI is 'working' very hard. But heck, they are kinda good, don't you think, Sherlock?!?

Ooh!

Yet another brand new forum member pops up in this thread!

Welcome!

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in many other forums here and many other threads the Mods pop in with comments when they see someone using many different names letting us know that's going on...I would like to think in this case as it being a potential money making endeavor and not just a lark they would be more critical about such things.

In fairness CR, I think that he may of done that once or twice, but I'm not sure it's fair of you to assume that every new poster is Rene...it might be other regulars too...in this case I see sarcasm because he seems (in my eyes anyhow) to be poking fun at the fact that guitar rig is now up to "2.2"...I could be wrong, but why pour gasoline on the flames? There are many other real issues without bringing in speculation...

[Amberience]

Tell you what Rene, I will paypal you $30 to have the amp as it currently is. Obviously it is in some kind of working state because we have sound examples on the soundclick page.

If not... then ....

[championrabbit]

There are many other real issues without bringing in speculation...

Fair enough!

I think you (and some of the others) are taking this thread far more seriously than I am.



I check this forum daily for interesting stuff related to new plugs etc, and whenever I see this thread has been bumped, I cannot resist adding something for the sheer fun of it.

This thread is one of the most ridiculous and hilarious (and successful) trolls I've ever encountered.

[Hink]

at this point the last thing I would call Rene is a troll...I think he is overwhelmed and a bit out of line...perhaps he didn't expect to be taken so seriously However when the going gets tough it often brings out the truth about what someone is made of...and this really doesn't bode well for the businessman aspect of Rene...to call him a troll imho is attacking the person who seems too me to be a good enough guy who bit off more than he can chew

[A3ntar]

I don't get it. Why would Rene be lying to us all? What would he gain from that?

Do you guys beleive that he has any ampsim product in developement whatsoever?

Rene, man, the key here is transparency. Be transparent with everyone. Tell us the truth.

You know what would help you? Start a blog about the development of the plugin, be honest, hide nothing, keep us aware of the progress and obstacles.

Oh, and another things. If you intend to make money out of this product and you want people to take you seriously, post more screenshots of the applications and loose that free mp3 hosting. How much is it to buy a hosting package? 10$/month? It is worth every penny to help you look professional to your future proscpects. Oh, and maybe you can find a junior deisgner that will help you with designing your website for cheap.

[Sascha Franck]

Good advice, A3ntar.

[NAD]

People should get a warm cup of tea and calm down.
I don't see why those who claim they basically have their needs covered still take time to post in this thread, telling how much they hate Rene's attitude. Why don't you simply ignore the thread and come back when its title changes to "It's released - In memory of our fellow KVRists who passed away in the meantime" (well that part is speculation)?
Now it's a bit over the top to feel insulted by the "passionate about guitars" comment... but to post all those pictures of gear and say "apologize", it's elementary school all over again.
On the other hand, it's not cool to diss the other products on the market when you don't offer a tangible alternative... and even if you did Rene, keep in mind that respecting the competition means respecting the consumer and his ability to choose for himself.

The fact this thread is still alive makes me think, be it lovers or haters, everyone posting in here secretely hopes he/she'll get to try the amp. Just a theory.

The voice of reason! The only thing I disagree with you about is the warm cup of tea. Tea should be served and drunk no less than piping hot! Although it is my firm belief that a cup of tea a day for everyone (unless you're being fed through a tube) would make the world much nicer indeed.

dude I'm far from childish

No offense, Hink, but that was rather funny.


@Rene - Please, just ignore this whole thing, take your time, be done with it when it's done with, and please make it affordable.

[Hink]

I don't get it. Why would Rene be lying to us all? What would he gain from that?

Do you guys beleive that he has any ampsim product in developement whatsoever?

Rene, man, the key here is transparency. Be transparent with everyone. Tell us the truth.

You know what would help you? Start a blog about the development of the plugin, be honest, hide nothing, keep us aware of the progress and obstacles.

Oh, and another things. If you intend to make money out of this product and you want people to take you seriously, post more screenshots of the applications and loose that free mp3 hosting. How much is it to buy a hosting package? 10$/month? It is worth every penny to help you look professional to your future proscpects. Oh, and maybe you can find a junior deisgner that will help you with designing your website for cheap.

hold on A3nter, please bear in mind there is a difference between deception and lying, albeit a fine line. Yes I do think he has something, but no I do not believe he's being completely honest...with all the the squabble and all his hype he might be afraid it won't go ever well, he might not like what he has made himself. Any way you look at it things aren't lining up and the gaps are of concern. The things I mention bring further the questions...I agree your suggestions, but at this point it might be too little too late for the amp sim.

I would be impressed if he said "it wasn't what I've hoped for so I've decided to scrap the project", maybe trying to build an amp sim from mp3 clips of amps wasn't such a good idea. I would expect a lot of I told you so's, but in the long run he would be better off...who here hasn't worked on song for ages only to say "well that didnt work"?

But here he still insists that it is better than anything else, as other threads have proven, to the detriment of his other pluggins. I'm sorry but after 28 months it's time to release it or scrap it imo...I know it's his decision to make, but look at all the negative that is happening...you are 100% correct by saying he should be totally upfront, but does it matter now? Imo it will help his future projects, because this dead weight is dragging those down too.

[Hink]

People should get a warm cup of tea and calm down.
I don't see why those who claim they basically have their needs covered still take time to post in this thread, telling how much they hate Rene's attitude. Why don't you simply ignore the thread and come back when its title changes to "It's released - In memory of our fellow KVRists who passed away in the meantime" (well that part is speculation)?
Now it's a bit over the top to feel insulted by the "passionate about guitars" comment... but to post all those pictures of gear and say "apologize", it's elementary school all over again.
On the other hand, it's not cool to diss the other products on the market when you don't offer a tangible alternative... and even if you did Rene, keep in mind that respecting the competition means respecting the consumer and his ability to choose for himself.

The fact this thread is still alive makes me think, be it lovers or haters, everyone posting in here secretely hopes he/she'll get to try the amp. Just a theory.

The voice of reason! The only thing I disagree with you about is the warm cup of tea. Tea should be served and drunk no less than piping hot! Although it is my firm belief that a cup of tea a day for everyone (unless you're being fed through a tube) would make the world much nicer indeed.

dude I'm far from childish

No offense, Hink, but that was rather funny.


@Rene - Please, just ignore this whole thing, take your time, be done with it when it's done with, and please make it affordable.

why do you think I'm chlidish? Or is it my use of the word dude?

[NAD]

why do you think I'm chlidish? Or is it my use of the word dude?

Hink, I don't think you're childish at all. I just thought using the word 'dude' in that sentence was amusingly ironic because I guess you might say it's a word that is associated with children or childish adults. I personally say dude all the time (handy when you've forgotten someone's name) and I don't consider myself childish, just a mature adult who uses a childish word for it's comic effect. No offence, dude!

[Hink]

why do you think I'm chlidish? Or is it my use of the word dude?

Hink, I don't think you're childish at all. I just thought using the word 'dude' in that sentence was amusingly ironic because I guess you might say it's a word that is associated with children or childish adults. I personally say dude all the time (handy when you've forgotten someone's name) and I don't consider myself childish, just a mature adult who uses a childish word for it's comic effect. No offence, dude!

that's what I figured...I use dude all the time, it keeps me feeling young and beats calling everyone cats...

[NAD]

beats calling everyone cats...

Uh, sure dude, whatever....