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hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:10 pm

SideWalker wrote:bmanic, let me see if i got it right, you sey that i can compress the mide info with one compressor and the side info with the 2ed compressor

how the hall did you do it???, i dont have XT or Mackie, i'm useing cubaseSX

maybe someone can make a cpr file or explain it better for cubase users

it would be very halpfal
Thanks!

I don't know for sure, but I think its nearly unpossible with Cubase SX, because its nowhere near modular as XT is. Its even hardly possible to sidechain and other nice stuff.
(from what I heard sidechaining is possible with some workarounds)

Cubase has a nice usability and other advantages, but in this section its really weak.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:51 pm

I will.

RTFM.

and to get you started, learn what a child bus means in cubase groups routing.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 1:23 pm

You can do it in Cubase SX too, though it is a bit more complex. It is probably easiest and most clear to do a duplicate of the track that you want to be the sidechain information and add a Voxengo MSED plugin to each track (one will then provide the mid information for the sidechain and one the side). Send this info forward to a surround bus (so that you can use the Voxengo Crunchessor or any other true side-chain compressor side-chain inputs) and configure the compressor there.

This might sound a bit confusing but take a close look at my EnergyXT setup and you should be able to do the same routing within cubase. I'm sure Kingston could post a working template.

Cheers!
bManic

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 3:54 pm

Kingston wrote:I will.

RTFM.

and to get you started, learn what a child bus means in cubase groups routing.

oh thanks for this superbe information, RTFMY...

I know what Cubase SX is possible to do. I use it every day. Cubase is a very huge but fixed system.
Its much easier with a modular routable system than with Cubase SX, thats basically what I've said.
You can also drive around the world with a bicycle, but you will be faster with a plane...

And by the way, I have perfect routing possibilities within my scope system, so I don't use Cubase for that task...

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:26 pm

bmanic wrote: I'd still want to add that I made a version of my Mid-Side compression (the original side-chain discussion and examples can be found here) using only FL Studio peak controllers. The results are pretty interesting. It's clear that the internal controllers of FL Studio are extremely useful and something that FL users can be very happy to have. Check out these two examples:

Mid signal controlling Side with FL Peak controller

Mid controlling Side + Mid controlling itself trough peak controlled EQ (1 band set to dip at each kick drum hit at about 80hz. It dips about 10dB per hit. 2nd band set to boost at every kick hit at around 180hz, 3db or so boost).

This is extremely powerful stuff.

Cheers!
bManic

SideWalker · Post by **SideWalker** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:40 pm

bmanic, thanks for your replay

Kingston, you could worte "RTM", i think it would be nicer then "RTFM"

anyway, template would be very halpfall

Thnx alot guys !

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:55 pm

bmanic, totally OT, but I always meant to say this: Congrats on your little sweetie!

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:57 pm

Thank you.

Cheers!
bManic

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:35 am

http://www.michaelkingston.fi/files/MS_comp.cpr

that's the cubase/nuendo project file.

you'll tweak it to your own needs but here's the drill:

- put stereo audio to track 1
- the group names should be self explanatory but the MSED plugins in the groups 'to MID' and 'to SIDE' control the relationship of the MS audio you want to send to compression *separately* to MID and SIDE. You could sent *just* the MID audio to SIDE channel, or anything inbetween.

- do *not* touch the MSED's on the 'compression' groups. They serve as a utility. actual volume control and "to sidechain" midside relationship is done elsewhere (with faders or compressor gain staging).

now tweak the compressors to your hearts content. You could change them to something else, but know that in this set up, compressor sidechain is always track 3-4 on the quadro group. Up to you to change routing accordingly, or decide on better prefader/post fader scheme, as this was my preference.

SideWalker · Post by **SideWalker** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:31 pm

Thanks Kingston!, i got it

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:00 pm

Cheers Kingston! Nice and clear setup there.

- bManic

loopdon · Post by **loopdon** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:15 am

i will try myself but woul it b posible for some kind heartd person to put up a fruity loops *.flp/*.zip ?

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:18 am

loopdon wrote:i will try myself but woul it b posible for some kind heartd person to put up a fruity loops *.flp/*.zip ?

This trick isn't possible with FL. It doesn't have what we call proper sidechaining abilities (ie, the routing blows).

Maybe this was changed with FL 7? (I doubt it)

loopdon · Post by **loopdon** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:25 am

um. okay. thanks for clearing that up, kingston. i suppose you can't make use of any dedicated sidechain-plugin like sidekick or sth?

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:34 am

maybe. I'm not familiar with either of them, but I suspect it's going to extremely tricky that way. For a thing like this, Energy XT is *ideal* because it allows this technique in any FL version.

(use EXT as a plugin in FL and use bmanics preset)

All about compressors (links broken: sorry!)