KVR Audio

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:43 pm

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:
Lunch Money wrote:But, StompIO was announced Winter NAMM 2006. No need to hope! As for the POD-- it has onboard DSP and zero latency. You must just be hearing the speaker from a few feet away and mistaking that for processing latency.
The Pod does have latency though. I forget what it is but I actually think it's in the 6-9ms range. You could always hit up the Line 6 forums, people there will know for sure.

I run the analog outs of my xt live into my soundcard, I run the usb from the xt into my computer and I record (but not monitor) the usb. Naturally I output my computer through my soundcard, so I monitor the analog/computer using direct monitor on my soundcard and it still records the usb...and guess what? Zero latency...;)_

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:58 pm

I have some more news about the AD/DA because I was curious about some specs (even though I go by ear most of the time because that's what matters most in the end... how it SOUNDS). It's top quality 24 bit conversion with what I believe is a 102db S/N. The quality is comparable say to a ProTools HD system (which I have so when I get my Stomp IO I will even A/B that just to really prove that theory myself).

All indications lead to it being tailored toward getting the best possible guitar sound and latency... plus thorough performance and editing control. It's pretty serious!!!!!!! But, that said, I don't want to get you too excited and anxious either... I don't see a stack of them in the warehouse just yet. But, when I get even a hint of that I will post about it and let you know. It's still being worked on but there will probably be some official news about it coming. Everything I am saying is unofficial of course... even if SOMETIMES I am used as the spokesman at tradeshows (I did the PR for Stomp IO at NAMM... or at least assisted the Italian-speaking CEO for that and the StealthPlug announcement and I enjoy doing those)... but as I always say in here I am just Squids, sound man and not speaking "officially" about anything else other than Sonic Reality and www.esoundz.com (haha notice how I made that a link?

Go buy something! Treat yourself to a dongleless AmpliTube 2 or Ampeg SVX! Haha... oh Ho Ho Ho- ok I am a cheeseball, lol. Oh by the way as I warned you guys we are completely OUT of StealthPlugs and might not have any more in until January... I suggest if you want one and your local store has it you pick it up before they run out. It is an extremely hot item right now and hard to get.).

stag · Post by **stag** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:57 pm

I was not that lucky

Any new drivers for XP soon?

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:31 pm

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:
Lunch Money wrote:But, StompIO was announced Winter NAMM 2006. No need to hope! As for the POD-- it has onboard DSP and zero latency. You must just be hearing the speaker from a few feet away and mistaking that for processing latency.
The Pod does have latency though. I forget what it is but I actually think it's in the 6-9ms range. You could always hit up the Line 6 forums, people there will know for sure.

If you're using it as an ASIO device and monitor through your app, sure, it will have latency. As Hink points out, there are many ways to skin a cat. And now with Gearbox 3.0 (free upgrade for Line 6 owners including PODxt) you have access to the ToneDirect monitoring system, which means you don't even need a second device.

But you were talking about Live usage. There's no latency for live usage.

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:58 pm

No, there is latency in live usage, here's a post from the Line 6 boards:

http://line6.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi ... 3&t=015963

You can always test it out to measure it yourself. In that thread someone put it at 8ms, in a different thread someone else claimed it was less than 3ms. I never actually tested myself, but it shouldn't be too hard to set up the test.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:27 pm

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:No, there is latency in live usage, here's a post from the Line 6 boards:

http://line6.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi ... 3&t=015963

You can always test it out to measure it yourself. In that thread someone put it at 8ms, in a different thread someone else claimed it was less than 3ms. I never actually tested myself, but it shouldn't be too hard to set up the test.

first starting to split hairs (technically everything has some latency)...but leave that aside...how is this proof? Did you do the test?

A3ntar · Post by **A3ntar** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:00 pm

A3ntar wrote:My PODXTL is a very nice guitar interface but the latencies are a bit high for it to be used as a live ASIO interface.

Lunch Money wrote:But, StompIO was announced Winter NAMM 2006. No need to hope! As for the POD-- it has onboard DSP and zero latency. You must just be hearing the speaker from a few feet away and mistaking that for processing latency.

LM, sorry for the confusion,

I do not mean that I am connecting it as an ASIO interface and playing the XTL sounds, I meant connecting it as an audio interface to play some third party FX. There is some definite latency using the PodXTL as an ASIO interface that way.

Here is my signal chain: Guitar->PodXTL->ASIO In Console (bypassing processing on XTL in driver pannel)->Thirs party ampsim->ASIO Out Console->XTL Headphones

There is some defintive latency, even at lowest setting, being at 128 samples.

I understand the confusion though, you probably mean no latency using the podXTL as an ASIO device but making it play their own amps (monitoring), and I agree with you on that.

This is why I am thinking of purchasing the StompIO instead of buying an expensive sound board and a DI device. It seems to be a high quality sound card tailored specifically for guitarists.

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:27 pm

Hink wrote:
Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:No, there is latency in live usage, here's a post from the Line 6 boards:

http://line6.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi ... 3&t=015963

You can always test it out to measure it yourself. In that thread someone put it at 8ms, in a different thread someone else claimed it was less than 3ms. I never actually tested myself, but it shouldn't be too hard to set up the test.
first starting to split hairs (technically everything has some latency)...but leave that aside...how is this proof? Did you do the test?

Really doesn't matter how much latency there is in terms of measuring it. I guess you think about it the same as me Hink, in that the important thing is perceived latency - if the latency is too low to notice or affect your playing then it's not worth worrying about.

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:30 am

I haven't done the test and never cared. I just wanted to make the point that it does have latency and that as long as the StompIO doesn't have an insanely high latency, that shouldn't be an issue in comparing it against a PodXT. I have heard metal heads complain that when playing really fast lines they can feel the lag in the XT, but I never (can't and would never care to) play that fast, and even then I wonder how much of that latency they're hearing is perceived. It's not like we play guitar with our ears against the cone, so I think they're full of crap. But again, if the StompIO can get in the 5ms range, then latency-wise it will be on par with a PodXT.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:06 am

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:I haven't done the test and never cared. I just wanted to make the point that it does have latency and that as long as the StompIO doesn't have an insanely high latency, that shouldn't be an issue in comparing it against a PodXT. I have heard metal heads complain that when playing really fast lines they can feel the lag in the XT, but I never (can't and would never care to) play that fast, and even then I wonder how much of that latency they're hearing is perceived. It's not like we play guitar with our ears against the cone, so I think they're full of crap. But again, if the StompIO can get in the 5ms range, then latency-wise it will be on par with a PodXT.

yeah but the pod xt won't have the latency effected by heavy cpu usage which I assume could be troublesome for pc based sims...

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:19 am

K, you got me there

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A3ntar · Post by **A3ntar** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:12 am

A3ntar wrote:
A3ntar wrote:My PODXTL is a very nice guitar interface but the latencies are a bit high for it to be used as a live ASIO interface.

Lunch Money wrote:But, StompIO was announced Winter NAMM 2006. No need to hope! As for the POD-- it has onboard DSP and zero latency. You must just be hearing the speaker from a few feet away and mistaking that for processing latency.
LM, sorry for the confusion,

I do not mean that I am connecting it as an ASIO interface and playing the XTL sounds, I meant connecting it as an audio interface to play some third party FX. There is some definite latency using the PodXTL as an ASIO interface that way.

Here is my signal chain: Guitar->PodXTL->ASIO In Console (bypassing processing on XTL in driver pannel)->Thirs party ampsim->ASIO Out Console->XTL Headphones

There is some defintive latency, even at lowest setting, being at 128 samples.

I understand the confusion though, you probably mean no latency using the podXTL as an ASIO device but making it play their own amps (monitoring), and I agree with you on that.

This is why I am thinking of purchasing the StompIO instead of buying an expensive sound board and a DI device. It seems to be a high quality sound card tailored specifically for guitarists.

I did the ASIO latency test and at 128 samples, the XTL was 18ms of total latency...ouch...This is using a no effect chain. Just in to out, using 128 samples in the driver.

Of course monitoring is still relativly latency free since processing of Line6 amps is done on the Sharks DSPs.

Aural Chaos · Post by **Aural Chaos** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:43 pm

"128 samples in the driver"...

That's totally different than the latency of the PodXT hardware itself. I think people are talking about 2 different things in this portion of the thread.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:08 pm

Aural Chaos wrote:"128 samples in the driver"...

That's totally different than the latency of the PodXT hardware itself. I think people are talking about 2 different things in this portion of the thread.

I think you're right

A3ntar · Post by **A3ntar** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:17 pm

Aural Chaos wrote:"128 samples in the driver"...

That's totally different than the latency of the PodXT hardware itself. I think people are talking about 2 different things in this portion of the thread.

I think we all realized that we are talking about two different thing.

Here is what I said in an earlier post:

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LM, sorry for the confusion,

I do not mean that I am connecting it as an ASIO interface and playing the XTL sounds, I meant connecting it as an audio interface to play some third party FX. There is some definite latency using the PodXTL as an ASIO interface that way.

Here is my signal chain: Guitar->PodXTL->ASIO In Console (bypassing processing on XTL in driver pannel)->Thirs party ampsim->ASIO Out Console->XTL Headphones

There is some defintive latency, even at lowest setting, being at 128 samples.

I understand the confusion though, you probably mean no latency using the podXTL as an ASIO device but making it play their own amps (monitoring), and I agree with you on that.

This is why I am thinking of purchasing the StompIO instead of buying an expensive sound board and a DI device. It seems to be a high quality sound card tailored specifically for guitarists.

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