Altiverb 5 and Reaktor and other questions

[drlava]

I am thinking about getting a Receptor to run some CPU heavy plugins ie: Altiverb and Reaktor. I am confused about some stuff. Conflicting info says that Receptor will run Windows versions of VST plug-ins but some VST plug-ins like the 2 i mention don't appear to supported.

If I buy a receptor now can I be confident that these plugins will eventually be supported?

From what I can make out a plug-in like Atmosphere is pre-installed. I own Atmosphere so is it a matter of reauthorizing with Spectrasonics.

I am also confused about CPU load. A lot of folks use Absynth so it seems like a reasonable benchmark for comparison, about how many instances of it could I expect in a Rev C with 2gig of Ram?

Thanks for any help...I'll be going through the manuals tonight.

[MartinHines]

I am thinking about getting a Receptor to run some CPU heavy plugins ie: Altiverb and Reaktor. I am confused about some stuff. Conflicting info says that Receptor will run Windows versions of VST plug-ins but some VST plug-ins like the 2 i mention don't appear to supported.

To help gain a conceptual understanding, you must understand that the Muse Receptor runs plugins within its own software which runs on the Linux Operating System (not Windows XP nor the Mac OSX operating systems). Therefore not every plugin that runs on Windows will be supported on the Receptor.

As mentioned somewhere on one of the websites, although Receptor can run Windows-based .dll plugins, it can not run the associated Windows product installers (the .exe installer programs one normally uses to install the software on a Windows computer). When you install a Windows application on Windows XP for example, there is data usually written to AT LEAST two different data locations on the computer:
-- C:\Program Files\something (or your VST plug-ins directory)
-- Windows Registry entries (normally hidden unless you know enough to run the Windows Registry viewer/editor)

With many products, Muse must create a product specific Receptor "installer" that creates/adds files to the Receptor (in specific locations) so that product can be used/run on the Receptor.

For example you mentioned Spectrasonics Atmosphere.
http://www.plugorama.com/customer/produ ... t=0&page=1

This is a product that can run on a Receptor and is "User Installable", but this requires you use a Muse Receptor Installer that was specifically created by Muse. Muse even created a special .pdf instruction document:
http://www.plugorama.com/downloads/Inst ... lugins.pdf

If you read that doc, you will see it has similar steps to a real Windows install (i.e. set up the plugin, copy the sample data, authorize the product).

If I buy a receptor now can I be confident that these plugins will eventually be supported?

I would would not assume anything about "eventual support" of a particular plugin. There are some plugins that can never be supported on a Receptor. With the Receptor you are getting a "rock solid" hardware/software environment that will run supported plugins extremely well. However the trade-off is the Receptor is not a Windows XP (or Mac) computer, so there is loss of flexibility in terms of what can and can not be run on a Receptor.

Also, there are some plugins that are supported that require a "crossgrade" to the Receptor version (meaning you can't install your own version).

Finally, I get the impression that support of most plugins requires Muse to work with the developer to get the product running on a Receptor. Besides technical work this also includes legal agreements between the developer and Muse regarding product authorization and installation. I would assume there may be some situations where developers simply aren't interested in supporting the Receptor, especially if this requires the developer to invest time and money to customize their product to run on the Receptor.

[drlava]

Thanks a lot for your reply. I guess I am not sure if the Receptor is right for me. The original concept, ads and articles I read about receptor have been a bit misleading and the more I look into it I am getting a little less enthused about it. If I knew that support for Altiverb was in the pipeline it would close the deal for me. In none of the material I have read do I get any indication of how much I could load it up with. I don't know...thanks for the help though.

[MCal]

If it's any help I know Altiverb is being seriously considered to be given Receptor support.... whether it will happen or not I have no idea. They have a huge list of plugs to port/convert...

Al.

[drlava]

If I was told that Altiverb was gonna happen in XX months I would order one tomorrow. I can run Cubase, Live,Stylus,Trilogy and maybe 2 or 3 other synths like Oddity or impOscar and Altiverb on my 2ghz G5. I use another G5 for Kontakt and Battery. I could use Receptor for all the Spectrasonics stuff and give Altiverb a bit more breathing room on the main computer. Thanks for the comments. (talking myself into a receptor purchase)

One positive selling point for me is a lot of names around here look familiar as on old Opcodian.

[Hybernation]

For what it's worth, I got Reaktor 5 working on my Receptor months ago. I don't know why Muse doesn't create a bare-bones installer (without all the presets). All of the synth ensembles work just fine, and when you save/recall a receptorized patch it calls up the correct ensemble AND the preset within it. Some of the sequencer/beatBox types of ensembles, which I really have little interest in, do crash the box. And to get it to work, I had to manually edit the registry (and had to have a dedicated R5 serial number - not Komplete - in order to authorize).

[dburgan]

For what it's worth, I got Reaktor 5 working on my Receptor months ago. I don't know why Muse doesn't create a bare-bones installer (without all the presets). All of the synth ensembles work just fine, and when you save/recall a receptorized patch it calls up the correct ensemble AND the preset within it. Some of the sequencer/beatBox types of ensembles, which I really have little interest in, do crash the box. And to get it to work, I had to manually edit the registry (and had to have a dedicated R5 serial number - not Komplete - in order to authorize).

How did you get past the copy protection?

I've been waiting for R5 on Receptor for a long time ... is it getting nearer?

[Hybernation]

For what it's worth, I got Reaktor 5 working on my Receptor months ago. I don't know why Muse doesn't create a bare-bones installer (without all the presets). All of the synth ensembles work just fine, and when you save/recall a receptorized patch it calls up the correct ensemble AND the preset within it. Some of the sequencer/beatBox types of ensembles, which I really have little interest in, do crash the box. And to get it to work, I had to manually edit the registry (and had to have a dedicated R5 serial number - not Komplete - in order to authorize).

How did you get past the copy protection?

I've been waiting for R5 on Receptor for a long time ... is it getting nearer?

I used the same bag of tricks I've used for a lot of NI plugins such as Battery2 (before it was supported) and some Kompakt-based instruments like Vapor and Nostalgia. I have documented the process over in the other forum at:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/receptorized/

The doc is in the tips and tricks folder title "NI-Receptor.doc" which is here:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/re ... %20tricks/

hope this helps,
JSH

ps. You MUST have the Wine version of Regedit for Receptor to do this. This doesn't bypass the NI Authorization, you still have to do those steps, as laid out in the document.

[drlava]

OK OK You guys have talked me into it. My Receptor arrives tomorrow. Thanks to all who have posted with poitive info. Word from Audio Ease is that Altiverb is in the works.