KVR Audio

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:15 pm

Lunch Money wrote:"funny" IS definitely lacking in terms of descriptive words.

Each person will find the tool they're happiest with, though. Nothing wrong with that.

Ok, I was at work before and didn't want to be wasting too much time on KVR, so I'll be more descriptive now. The high end sounds "crunchy" but not in a good way (think Zoom). Most amps distort way too easily (take the Vox AC15 model for example) and unnaturally, and the dynamics don't respond well at all compared to even the Pod XT, let alone AT2. The low end and mids also seem generally unresponsive and just not "there" to me. Also, the way to select (or create) cabs, is just counter intuitive, and it just generally takes way too long to get anything halfway decent sounding setup. I mean, really, there's a lot there I don't like.

AT2 on the other hand is easy as plug-in, select the amp and play. Then maybe tweak a few knobs, audition a few mics and cabs, then bang I'm ready and it sounds great (all of this takes two minutes tops). Revalver may be capable of great sounds (again, I really like the high-gain stuff Dimitar has done), but I just for the life of me can't get them out of it. AT2 feels and acts a lot closer to a real amp IMO. My poor Fender ("Evil") Twin Amp, is going to be getting less and less use, I've already all but given up on my Guitarport for most things.

Here's a test, load up the demos of both programs, create two sends: 100% Pre-volume, and throw AT2 on one and Revalver Mk II on the other. Don't use a preset, but load up an AC30/15 w/ a corresponding 2x12 cab on each, and record some arppeggios. Then try to get the best sound on each and approximate the volume of each. Then just A/B. Ask yourself, 1) which sounds better, 2) how much better, and 3) how easily it was to obtain that sound. Then do the same with a Fender sound, and even load up a Marshall and try out the Sweet Child O' Mine riff or whatever. AT2 takes the cake for me on this test, but others may disagree.

But your right LM, different strokes for different folks. I've heard good things come out of Revalver, and it might just be the perfect unit for some people (I wish I could say the same).

camsr · Post by **camsr** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:49 pm

A3ntar · Post by **A3ntar** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:55 am

camsr wrote:BUMP

LOL, even I ran out of stuff to say about AT2.

Well, one thing is on the menu du jour. AT2's tuner is pretty slick. I am reinstalling XP and am doing test now of the ampsims that I have and comparing the precisions of their tuners.

Will keep you posted.

Silenceborn · Post by **Silenceborn** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:42 pm

Hey Peeps, first of all sorry for my english, u know its not my native language.. .

it's some mounths that i'm reading the posts here on this Great KVR Website's Forum, but its my first Post here :

its about 2 years that im using Guitar rig( since the version 1 ) and before that, i was using Amplitube 1 and lately even Waves GTR( version 2 ), and all other Free Amp sims i could find .i "WAS" really happy and satisfied with the sound of Guitar rig( specially version 2) and my style is more Classic Rock, Hard Rock or sometime Metal .. but also im a big fan of some kind of Jazz styles and Even Newage( experimental ).. but after i got AT2,i realized sounds that i could get out of this great plugin is WOW!,Perfect and Smooth,i tried toomany tests( u know im alittle psycho about the Plugins ) iv testd all Amps,Effects,Cabs,Mics and..at all everything between GR2 , AT2 , Waves GTR 2, Nomad Rock Amp Legend, Izotope Trash, and all other Free plugins iv got, iv been testing all these tests in about 3 mounths, cuz u know im alittle IDEALIST lol.. i wanted the best sounded Plugin..( its very huge, i think i can write a book about the tests lol ).. generally i realized AT2 has the best sound iv ever heard between all plugins i own,
if i want to tell very Briefly something about my tests, one of the great thing i realized about AT2 is its MID and PRESENCE that is more real than GR2 ... u know the sound of AT2 is more Gluey, Smoother, and its really with closed eyes like u r playin through a real AMP..im using toomany Guitars for the test : Fender Strat( Amercian Delux with 3 Single Coils ), 2 Ibanez( JS model and Steve Vai model ), LP Standard Premium Plus edition, and also some cheaper guitars like Squier,Aria, and etc..
and also i'v some old and new Real AMPs too ..from Fender to Marshal to VOX and LINE6 and even Peavy amps.. some of them are for my friends and i got them for my tests.. .
At all there is a Huge difference between AT2 and other Ampsims like GR2 and even GTR2..i could get all kind of sounds i wanted with AT2 from Rock to Metal(real Metal Tones ! ) .. Experiemental to Jazz and other Styles i like.. .
i can get all these sounds with GR2 and GTR2 too but the difference is really Audible!.. .GR2 sounds is like u r playing through a Plastic Channel..so the Distorted sounds seems unnatural alittle to me, even after i realized the power of AT2 i can not enjoy the Clean sounds of GR2 , Waves GTR2 is better, but has the same problem with Distorted sounds,but with GTR2 u can get some nice Clean sounds.. .
maybe later i could send some part of my Tests on these great plugins here on the Forum, but for now i just said my opinions.. .sorry again for my bad english.

aww one more thing :
i wish AT2 has some better UI, i really Like the GR2 UI, its very advanced and Pro look and more friendly than AT2 in my opinion.

Jazzguitar · Post by **Jazzguitar** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:53 am

Subway Solitude - a instrumental tune I wrote using AT2

Silenceborn wrote: maybe later i could send some part of my Tests on these great plugins here on the Forum, but for now i just said my opinions.. ..

Silenceborn, thank you, I agree on near all you said in your post, the AT2 warm and tridimensional presence is outstanding, however to me, GuitarRig2 get a strong adventage at metal styles because the cool collection of distortion boxes, bringing us with more choices and alternatives for that boomy headcutter guitar tones at hard metal stuff, while AT2 just suply two distortion/overdrived stom boxes and obviously the preamp/amp saturation...something enuff even for me for my jazzy fusion rockin trends, now I am enloved with AT2, but I really hope Native Instruments face AT2 irruption improving GR2 cuz it is a impressive tool with lot more of possibilities. In the meantime Amplitube 2, altough with some not so bare reserves, is my choice now.

This is a instrumental tune I wrote and record with AT2 more as a demo...
(with just a telecaster as only guitar for both basic acoustic and electric sounds)

http://www.sitiopro.com/music/subwaysolitude.mp3

greetings

Silenceborn · Post by **Silenceborn** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:28 am

Aww yes Jazzguitar, you right,i do agree with you almost completly, u can get some real great metal and hard rock sounds out of this Great GR2.. i just recorded some great songs with it , only with GR2, u know all my old and even new Real amps are useless now.. .cuz its very easier to record the sounds with these plugins and to my ears there is a very little difference between the real one and the emulated one.. .
I could get some Horrible and living metal sounds from GR2,GR2 has a great routing system and it's fully Modular, so u can put anything before/after anything ..its really cool so u can get Real sounds or even some Unusuall and Wierd sounds. i love this part about GR2 that u can get unlimited kind of sounds with its great infinite posibilities, also i like this feature that u can tweak some advanced parameters about Amps in GR2, it really can help you to get some of your favorite sounds in some hard situations , actually im a big fan of NI since their earliest products until now( i really love their Absynth and B4 too).

But i know that AT2 has not the same posibilities and features of GR2, Never ! , even it has not the Great UI of the GR2, but honeslty when i realized the power of AT2, since that time i can not work with GR2 from my heart!! lol, i Hope NI could improve the sounds in GR2, so we could use the great posibilities in GR2 with Great sound of AT2( it would be my Dream, really lool ) .. .or i hope IK Multimedia could improve the UI and add more and more features to its great Plugin AT2( that would be another Great Dream ! ),
At all im happy to work with both of them, really great products from two great Company.. .

aww i forgot to tell : lately i could Download the demo of Revalver MK II..i just wanted to tell that it has some great posibilities that i never seen in any other AMP/Effect Sims, very great Ideas, and some good sounds u can get out of it, but if i want tobe honest, it's sounds never get close to AT2 or even GR2 to my ears,from the range of Clean to distortion, but its just my opinion and maybe im wrong about it

Thanks alot to everyone and you Jazzguitar for the demo .. .

ba_hill · Post by **ba_hill** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:40 pm

Hi Jazzguitar,

Great tones and great playing! I would never have guessed you recorded this with an amp sim. The melody/lead tone in particular is one of the sounds I've been after and never been able to get from any amp simulator - either hardware or software. Would you mind describing your recording setup as well as the amp/speaker/effects that you used in AT2?

Thanks,

Brian

Jazzguitar wrote:Subway Solitude - a instrumental tune I wrote using AT2

This is a instrumental tune I wrote and record with AT2 more as a demo...
(with just a telecaster as only guitar for both basic acoustic and electric sounds)

http://www.sitiopro.com/music/subwaysolitude.mp3

greetings

Jazzguitar · Post by **Jazzguitar** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:36 pm

ba_hill wrote:Hi Jazzguitar,

Great tones and great playing! I would never have guessed you recorded this with an amp sim. The melody/lead tone in particular is one of the sounds I've been after and never been able to get from any amp simulator - either hardware or software. Would you mind describing your recording setup as well as the amp/speaker/effects that you used in AT2?

Thanks,

Brian

Thank you Brian, for a solid and pure signal first I connect my guitar to a Presonus Bluetube, a little but cool valve preamp, with not very drive gain to avoid extra coloration, then mono preamp out go to audio card, a M-audio Delta 66. I use Cubase SX with AT2 (5 ms. latency) in guitar track via insert of course, that is all. What is nice about AT2 is I don't have to do any extra tweaking track EQing or tonal exciter enhancements or nothing else..at least in this demo tune I got a tone "out of box" near at a snap, altough I am not meaning that is something always needless, just I get my way easily and quickly with AT2 than with Guitar Rig. The guitar I use in demo: Telecaster standard with PAF 1966 Gibson humbucker (neck)

I packed here http://sitiopro.com/music/AT2patchsbyCEA.zip some AT2 patchs I make, most fusion, rock, jazz oriented and some very similar or with little differences..hope enjoy it.

In the case you want just the patch I use in demo: http://sitiopro.com/music/subwaysolitude.zip. Note this AT2 patch, aside wahwah, include a compressor and overdrive stomp boxes for more intense guitar solo parts. However at start song and bossa nova part near of tune end, I use the same patch

, just less Marshal AT2 preamp gain and definitely not comp neither overdrive stomps in order to get that clean archtop like tone.

Regards

Carlos

------------------------------------------------------------
www.jazzpick.net/music

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:30 am

Thanks so much Carlos! These are very useful with my AS80.

Cheers,
Gordon

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:38 am

I haven't been following this thread in a while so who knows what you guys are talking about now (the longest thread I've ever seen haha).

Anyway, just wanted to pop in to tell you some good news. IK listened to you guys. A3ntar and gang asking for certain graphic color changes on the Stomp IO. The newer updated one will be shown at NAMM. I might even be able to sneak a pic of it in here if you want to see it. Let me know. It looks cool! Solid, rugged. I like it better this way too. No more purple.

Shhhh.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:50 am

Squids wrote:I might even be able to sneak a pic of it in here if you want to see it. Let me know.

No, we have no interest in seeing it.

<smack to the head>

Of course we want to see it! Bring it on!

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:30 am

What would Oprah say?

camsr · Post by **camsr** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:52 am

Beardedone wrote:What would Oprah say?

"This thread really needs a BUMP".

ba_hill · Post by **ba_hill** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:04 am

Hi Jazzguitar,

Thanks much for this information and your presets!

Brian

Jazzguitar wrote:
Thank you Brian, for a solid and pure signal first I connect my guitar to a Presonus Bluetube, a little but cool valve preamp, with not very drive gain to avoid extra coloration, then mono preamp out go to audio card, a M-audio Delta 66. I use Cubase SX with AT2 (5 ms. latency) in guitar track via insert of course, that is all. What is nice about AT2 is I don't have to do any extra tweaking track EQing or tonal exciter enhancements or nothing else..at least in this demo tune I got a tone "out of box" near at a snap, altough I am not meaning that is something always needless, just I get my way easily and quickly with AT2 than with Guitar Rig. The guitar I use in demo: Telecaster standard with PAF 1966 Gibson humbucker (neck)

I packed here http://sitiopro.com/music/AT2patchsbyCEA.zip some AT2 patchs I make, most fusion, rock, jazz oriented and some very similar or with little differences..hope enjoy it.

In the case you want just the patch I use in demo: http://sitiopro.com/music/subwaysolitude.zip. Note this AT2 patch, aside wahwah, include a compressor and overdrive stomp boxes for more intense guitar solo parts. However at start song and bossa nova part near of tune end, I use the same patch :o , just less Marshal AT2 preamp gain and definitely not comp neither overdrive stomps in order to get that clean archtop like tone.

Regards

Carlos

------------------------------------------------------------
www.jazzpick.net/music

A3ntar · Post by **A3ntar** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:07 am

Squids wrote:I haven't been following this thread in a while so who knows what you guys are talking about now (the longest thread I've ever seen haha).

Anyway, just wanted to pop in to tell you some good news. IK listened to you guys. A3ntar and gang asking for certain graphic color changes on the Stomp IO. The newer updated one will be shown at NAMM. I might even be able to sneak a pic of it in here if you want to see it. Let me know. It looks cool! Solid, rugged. I like it better this way too. No more purple. Shhhh.

Woooooohoooooooooooo!!!

No more purple! No more purple! We want pics! We want pics!

Long live this thread, may it grow long and prosper.

.

Amplitube 2 Jimi Hendrix RELEASED this month!!!