Hi
I am considering buying a receptor. There are a few things that are holding me back. The biggest is a concern about the rate of progress in new instruments being released. Additionally, I am concerned about a couple of instrument manufacturers that I do not see in the list of supported instruments. Finally, I have seen a lot of people talking about hacking their OS to accomodate instruments. I would like to address each of these individually.
The Rate Of Progress In Releasing New Instruments
One of the instruments I use a ton is Stylus RMX and I think I use 1.5 (not in front of my machine right now). I am pretty sure I read on this forum somewhere that 1.5 does not work yet. I have seen a ton of people asking about Native Instruments Komplete - another that has been out for a bit but seems to not be adapted to Receptor yet.
Is this an issue? How long is the delay between a commercially released popular VST and the adaption for Receptor? Is the fault in the VST manufacturers or in the Receptor staff?
Unsupported Instruments
I love my Waldord PPG 2. whatever that is. I also have several Arturia synths (CS 80, Moog Modular...). I also have Dimension and Rapture by Cakewalk. I cannot find a reference to any of these working anywhere. Reaktor doesn't show up anywhere either.
What or who decides which instruments will work and which will not? Would I be limiting myself to predominantly freebies or older instruments by going the Receptor route? Is there a discussion in this forum that sets a tentative timeline for the release of other istruments or the inclusion of unsupported instruments? Is there something specific about the Arturia or Cakewalk instruments that banish them forever into the land of unsupported software?
Hacking of Operating System
I have seen several posts about having to hack the Receptor OS to get instruments to work correctly. What??? Is this a product where a ton of technical expertise is needed to make it work, or is it slightly more advanced than plug and play? I have a studio with nearly 20 vintage synths and understand technology as well as anyone, but having to write code??? Are these people mis-stating the effort or is the Receptor software requiring that much programming for new instruments?
My Situation
I am interested in the Receptor as an accessory to the stuff I already have. I guess my biggest goal would be to have something where I can sit down and get going quickly. I have a ton of real vintage synths (memorymoog, wave, synthex, OB xpander & 4 voice, Super Jupiter....) plus an 80 or so module Modcan modular synth. Flexibility of these instuments gets me the sound I want, but at a time cost.
I have a ton of outboard effects (mostly TC and Lexicon, but you could do worse). I am using the latest version of Sonar (6.01 or so). Recording is mainly a hobby, though it is something that my friends and I do pretty constantly. I am a guitar player first and foremost, though with my Ztar, I do mess with synths a ton.
I dont really use samplers. On VA synths, I don't think most of the VSTs sound as good as the analogs they are trying to emulate, but they can create unique sounds that are incremental to my current pallatte.
For the helpful - hey - thanks sincerely for the advice. For the flamers - I am not trying to start anything negative. I just want answers to some questions before I dump $2400 into a Receptor Pro and $2k++ into instruments. [/i]
Frequency Of New Instruments?
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- KVRist
- 62 posts since 22 Dec, 2002
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- KVRian
- 571 posts since 14 Oct, 2004 from UK
As much as I love my Receptor, I have to admit to being disappointed by the slow response to upgrading existing supported instruments. Vanguard, EVE, Stylus RMX... plenty of packages that have not been updated, sometimes for months (for EVE2 for example).
To me, updating supported instruments is more important than releasing new ones. With a bit of knownledge, you can install instruments yourself, sometimes by adding info to the registry. It is more difficult to install yourself a new edition of a supported instruments.
Whatever Muse are doing right now, I'm hoping that 2007 will see quicker updates of the packages on plugorama.
To me, updating supported instruments is more important than releasing new ones. With a bit of knownledge, you can install instruments yourself, sometimes by adding info to the registry. It is more difficult to install yourself a new edition of a supported instruments.
Whatever Muse are doing right now, I'm hoping that 2007 will see quicker updates of the packages on plugorama.
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- KVRist
- 32 posts since 14 May, 2005
I find that if I wait for a certain instrument to be *Receptorised*, I'm usually disappointed. Since this could be a great marketing aspect of the instrument, I am surprised they don't hire someone (I'm available!) to do nothing but *Receptorize* instruments. Even considering this, everyone cannot be 100% satisfied. A prioritazation process must be put into practice to get the most band for the buck.
That said, I wouldn't be without my Receptor. It plays fast and the VSTs somehow sound better than on my 2.8G AMD 64 box. They have their instrument set up with a great GUI and it is very easy to create setups, patches, midi routings, etc... I can't say enough about how fun the instrument is. I get comments at every gig, smiles at every practice. It is an attention getter.
For a solution with VSTs, I just go to the unsupported list to find new ones. They come out pretty frequently and so many good ones are free or have a minimum price point. One of my favorites right now is:
http://memorymoon.com/
It will make you forget about your CS80 and it is 1/10th the price.
Wes Taggart
Analogics
http://www.analogics.org/
That said, I wouldn't be without my Receptor. It plays fast and the VSTs somehow sound better than on my 2.8G AMD 64 box. They have their instrument set up with a great GUI and it is very easy to create setups, patches, midi routings, etc... I can't say enough about how fun the instrument is. I get comments at every gig, smiles at every practice. It is an attention getter.
For a solution with VSTs, I just go to the unsupported list to find new ones. They come out pretty frequently and so many good ones are free or have a minimum price point. One of my favorites right now is:
http://memorymoon.com/
It will make you forget about your CS80 and it is 1/10th the price.
Wes Taggart
Analogics
http://www.analogics.org/
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- KVRist
- 413 posts since 5 Dec, 2005
I did suggest to them a polling system for software to become receptorized. They come up with a certain amount of plugs and we vote on them. Obviously the top plug gets priority, and the majority is satisfied.
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- KVRist
- 32 posts since 14 May, 2005
A polling system would help, but only if they had someone working on Receptorizing as their only priority. That person would need to be able to code and liason with other manufacturers/developers to encourage Receptorability. It would be a challenge, but Receptor is as good as the instruments it can play. Expand the instrument availability and you increase the desirability.
Wes Taggart
Analogics
http://www.analogics.org/
Wes Taggart
Analogics
http://www.analogics.org/
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- KVRian
- 524 posts since 25 Aug, 2005
Well, bottom line is for the healh and well-being of Muse and the Receptor, top priority is for a stable, reliable instrument. But right next in line is maintaining parity with existing instruments such as RMX, followed VERY closely by new instrument development.
Hardware synths don't have this issue, once they're relesed it's a done deal, but the beauty, power and appeal of this instrument is the marvelous flexibility and reconfigurable nature of the beast. New instruments add to the glamor, but the focus MUST BE on what already is installed and supported, or many users (well, at least me
) will feel abandoned...
I hope this works out, I really love this box!
Hardware synths don't have this issue, once they're relesed it's a done deal, but the beauty, power and appeal of this instrument is the marvelous flexibility and reconfigurable nature of the beast. New instruments add to the glamor, but the focus MUST BE on what already is installed and supported, or many users (well, at least me
) will feel abandoned...I hope this works out, I really love this box!
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 62 posts since 22 Dec, 2002
I appreciate the feedback. I am at a loss here. I have the original synths that many of the things I am looking for are based on. I just want the immediacy of being able to sit down and compose.
Are they users of Receptor more geared towards massive sample libraries?
Is there an effort amongst the VST developers to release stuff that is Receptor compatible?
Thanks again.
Are they users of Receptor more geared towards massive sample libraries?
Is there an effort amongst the VST developers to release stuff that is Receptor compatible?
Thanks again.
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- KVRist
- 413 posts since 5 Dec, 2005
I like to think as Receptor being mainly for people who want quality vst and sample libraries for live use. I could never go back to what I had before, Electro Motif ES etc. It's good for sample playback, I use Kompakt as I don't do a lot of editing really and it's stable with Receptor, VERY stable. But time will soon come when 2GB will not be enough for some sample libraries. I'd like to see some hardware improvements over 2007. That said, it's an awesome bit of kit and kills any hardware keyboard stone dead IMO for it's sounds.