This coming NAMM is going to be SICK!

[funkychickendance]

It would be out of character for me not to note that East West just won the prize. They deserve the 'Nekrofiliak Award' for their new Fab Four package.

Now, tell me that Fab Four isn't aimed at numbnuts wannabes and old wankers!

The promo is almost an Onion parody. I missed it because I am generally NAMM-numb.

/funxi
who is, for the record, perfectly okay with the Beatles' music but sees no urgent necessity to obsessively recreate every minuscule aspect of it. They were original & inventive, geddit?

[Squids]

It would be out of character for me not to note that East West just won the prize. They deserve the 'Nekrofiliak Award' for their new Fab Four package.

Now, tell me that Fab Four isn't aimed at numbnuts wannabes and old wankers!

The promo is almost an Onion parody. I missed it because I am generally NAMM-numb.

/funxi
who is, for the record, perfectly okay with the Beatles' music but sees no urgent necessity to obsessively recreate every minuscule aspect of it. They were original & inventive, geddit?

Maybe numbnuts perhaps. haha. jk

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Squids,

Will the drums be available as an add-on pack for BFD? I remember hearing a while back that you and the FXpansion guys were working together on doing some cross-compatible packs?

Cheers for any info

The Studio ProFile drum kits most likely yes. Ocean Way is done differently with submixes even though it DOES have the individual channels. I guess it depends on how much Allen and Steven like BFD. They don't like the sounds that are in it now (even if I do for the most part... but I like a lot of things and these guys are way more picky... but they make way more albums than all of us so...).

We'll see. I am for it generally though. I love BFD and products like that.

Squids, I'd totally love to see this in a multi-channel format, especially BFD. At this point, I'm not even interested in working with drum sounds that don't come out in BFD to tell you the truth. That Albini set is killer, and that Andy John's one seems like more goodness, so an Ocean Way set would be a nice addition. See what you can do.

[Bassballjg]

It would be out of character for me not to note that East West just won the prize. They deserve the 'Nekrofiliak Award' for their new Fab Four package.

Now, tell me that Fab Four isn't aimed at numbnuts wannabes and old wankers!

The promo is almost an Onion parody. I missed it because I am generally NAMM-numb.

/funxi
who is, for the record, perfectly okay with the Beatles' music but sees no urgent necessity to obsessively recreate every minuscule aspect of it. They were original & inventive, geddit?

Ray, I love the Beatles but don't need a Beatle-themed sample library. On the other hand, it might be good. And if it is, bless them for doing well. If Fab Four is what somebody wants, and it's a good sample library, and if their new engine is any good, I wish them well and hope they get some great music out of it. However, even after reading what Dave wrote earlier, I'd still rather have Studiophonik, if what I wanted was an ultimate rock band sample library.

I trust 1: the players I know and 2: Sonic Reality.

Of course, I can and do sample the players I know, even if they are not the Beatles or own the gear that they used. SR's Vintage Time Traveller is cheap relatively speaking if that is what you want, '60's-'70's sounds.

I'd still rather record a band playing songs live in the studio than use samples, except when someone went to the time and effort to do what SR does at that level of detail about players and performances.

With this rant, I agree with you, Comrade Funxi, except to say that for what Fab Four is, it might be good. I just wish we had Studiophonik, and I would tell anyone who wanted vintage band sounds to get Vintage Time Traveller.

By the way, Dave, I'd be using VT in Sampletank except that Translator didn't really do the E4 version justice. I'd love to get those sounds in native softsampler formats.

[funkychickendance]

Ray, I love the Beatles but don't need a Beatle-themed sample library. On the other hand, it might be good. And if it is, bless them for doing well.

Agreed. It's just the whole marketing stance that ticks me off. But it's perfectly in line with our cultural shift from reality to abstraction, so who am I to quarrel?

They won't sell me one, I'm thinking...

/funxi

[funkychickendance]

Vintage Time Traveler and World Traveler would be great additions to the ST2 format, it occurs to me.

/fnx

[pricer]

if this trend continues, they'll be shipping sample libraries based on specific albums - if so I just hope they do Amarok, how many sample libraries can you name that possess a vacuum cleaner?!

[Squids]

I went to check that one out. I admit that when I saw it I thought "Oh we really should have Studiophonik up against this one". I'll tell you what I like about this "Fab Four" and what I don't like. What I like about it is first that Ken Scott was asked to do the sample recording. I finally got to meet this legendary engineer in person at the show and not only do I respect his work beyond words but he also happens to be an incredibly warm nice guy. Now, I've also recently met someone else who has worked with The Beatles (don't want to say who because this isn't flattering) and he was exactly the OPPOSSITE! Sort of cold and dismissive. These of course are personal things and actually completely irrelevant to a product (I suppose) but maybe there IS something to "if you like the guy behind the product it translates into wanting to like the product more"...

But, there's more to it than just being able to have a great name like that associated with the product. The next thing I liked about it was the gear that was used. EMI consoles and various gear Ken used back then to record The Beatles... well, I am a gearhead so to me that's really cool. So what don't I like? I am not one to exactly rip publicly on another competing product so I am not going to fully tell you what I really think but I will at least be fair in some criticisms that are just personal preference. For one thing I really didn't like the way the drums were laid out. It wasn't GM and it wasn't Imap and for me the way it was positioned I could not do my finger drumming thing whatsoever with it. It made me sound bad!!!(as a player, and you know that finger drumming is my thing). I thought some of the character of the sound was cool but it didn't always thrill me to be honest and the whole time I kept thinking that we need to release Studiophonik because, even without the awesome Ken Scott involved and even without sampling through an EMI console (hey you can also buy the plug-in from Abbey Road you know!!!) I think from a programming stand point at the very least Studiophonik is more expressive and shapeable.

This is what I was honesty thinking personally. But, again, I am being nice by saying mostly the things I like. There were quite a few things I didn't but in all fairness they were showing prototypes too so who knows? The jury is still out on this one. Would I buy it? Yeah, I might because even for the novelty of it or for misc samples within it here and there it's a nice thing to have, why not? I am a Beatles fan. Actually I LOVED the Clavioline that they sampled in there (but I used to have one and we sampled one too). The Mellotron sounded absolutely horrendous and I am not sure why. I think it was Auto-tuned or something dreadful. It was too perfect and also muddy sounding so I completely didn't get it. The guy was sitting there playing me Strawberry Fields Forever and I don't think he knew who I was (or what a Squids Tron is) and I was actually surprised it wasn't so good! That should have been one of the easier sounds to capture. Maybe they tried to "fix it" too much. You have to leave that nasty beast alone for it to do its magic.

Anyway, again, I can't really trash it because that's not my style but of course I can agree with you that Studiophonik is much more powerful and diverse. It did have me re-thinking what we do there. So if anything you can maybe thank EW for announcing this product because it has inspired me to bring back Studiophonik just to kick its ass! Haha. Oh I am just kidding. It doesn't really work that way. I want to do Studiophonik regardless but it is a matter of perhaps changing some things about it, perhaps leave out the horns or just put a few in there, maybe less brands and more choice instruments... we'll think about it and see what we can do.

Side note, I talked to Angus about BFD again and no worries we'll make some drum sounds for it too.

[dgkenney]

So if anything you can maybe thank EW for announcing this product because it has inspired me to bring back Studiophonik just to kick its ass! Haha. Oh I am just kidding. It doesn't really work that way.

Thank you EW

I want to do Studiophonik regardless

Now you're talking

perhaps leave out the horns or just put a few in there, maybe less brands and more choice instruments... we'll think about it and see what we can do.

Perhaps cut back a LITTLE on drums and keyboards. They have gotten their fair share in ST2 and SS2. But to quote an old song..."What the world needs now...is horns sweet horns...no, not just for some, but for everyone." And of course one can never, ever, ever have enough vintage guitars/pickup/amp combos.

Dan

[beergeek]

So if anything you can maybe thank EW for announcing this product because it has inspired me to bring back Studiophonik just to kick its ass! Haha. Oh I am just kidding. It doesn't really work that way.

Thank you EW

I want to do Studiophonik regardless

Now you're talking

perhaps leave out the horns or just put a few in there, maybe less brands and more choice instruments... we'll think about it and see what we can do.

Perhaps cut back a LITTLE on drums and keyboards. They have gotten their fair share in ST2 and SS2. But to quote an old song..."What the world needs now...is horns sweet horns...no, not just for some, but for everyone." And of course one can never, ever, ever have enough vintage guitars/pickup/amp combos.

Dan

To quote someone a little "rockier", I can't believe is typed that word ...

"You got that right, Said, you got that right, Well you got that right, Sure got that right..."



Southern rock roots, doncha know?