Upright bass?

[Kyran]

Ok, I should stop checking this forum, it's costing me too much money.
I heard the demo mp3's of this thing, and damn they rock! Bought it on the instant and can't wait to get my hands on it.
I've used manytone sounds in every song I made and they're always the ones where people go like "hmmm I really like that bit"

I was just wondering if there is some info on how to play it realistically.

[manytone]

Hi Kyran
Thanks for those kind words about our sounds!

I am hoping soon that Greg will prepare a small tutorial on how to use the set to its fullest. Greg has started doing some small video demos so this may be a great chance to make a simple one that shows the tricks etc.

Hang in there, we do have plans for some video tutorials soon that will demonstrate and show how to use a lot of our Products.

Thanks again!
Paul

[Kyran]

Waauw, video tutorials!
Needless to say, I'm really looking forward to them.
My upright bass has arrived, so, if you forgive me, I've got a new toy to play with

[FoxV]

Hey Paul,

Any word on the Kontakt version?

Ooo....and a video tutorial would be way cool!

-Fox

[manytone]

Hi Fox

Got a bit sidetracked here with the release of ManyOne and also with a Huge 300 meg new FreeZone FreeBee we are releasing tonight or tomorrow if I can finish up here.

Then I'll get on sorting the Kontakt versions of the Basses. Shouldn't be too much longer as it is mostly ready.
Sorry about the delay but we have been busy as you can and will see.

Cheers
Paul

[FoxV]

Cool beans. Thanks for the info.

-Fox

[FoxV]

Paul,

Any update?

Thanks,

Fox

[manytone]

Hi Fox
I have a Kontakt version ready for the Ovation Acoustic Bass, so if any of you guys who purchased the Ovation want to try the Kontakt version before official release, just drop me a mail.

As for the Upright in Kontakt, it is just being finished and not quite ready to let out yet. But I should have it soon for you if all goes well.

Cheers
Paul

[BosseJo]

Hi Kyran
Thanks for those kind words about our sounds!

I am hoping soon that Greg will prepare a small tutorial on how to use the set to its fullest. Greg has started doing some small video demos so this may be a great chance to make a simple one that shows the tricks etc.

Hang in there, we do have plans for some video tutorials soon that will demonstrate and show how to use a lot of our Products.

Thanks again!
Paul

Any news on this?

[Gregjazz]

Not yet. I've still got a lot of other projects to complete, so the video thing has low priority at the moment. But let me assure you, I'm still interested in creating this resource, not to mention I got all the capture software sorted out and it's just sitting there.

[BosseJo]

Not yet. I've still got a lot of other projects to complete, so the video thing has low priority at the moment. But let me assure you, I'm still interested in creating this resource, not to mention I got all the capture software sorted out and it's just sitting there.

Great. Looking forward to that.

Also, the manual says G-1 - D staccato rake (and below that it says G#-1 - G). Is this refering to a range? I think I understand the idea (staccato rake, perhaps one could call it some kind of appoggiatura?) but since I don't play the upright bass I do not know exactly how it is suppose to sound. The problem is that there are other notes in between G-1 and D, for example A-1 (pluck muted string). Am I missing something obvious?

[Gregjazz]

This is a pretty specific bassism that's REALLY important to funk/jazz bass, but no other bass sample library has this to my knowledge. It's like a stacatto ghost note that comes an eighth (or maybe a sixteenth) note before the target note. It's really common in walking basslines, where the ongoing quarter notes are occasionally decorated with that stacatto rake an eighth note between two of these quarter notes.

The technique is used both on upright and electric basses, and the concept and execution is basically the same.

[BosseJo]

This is a pretty specific bassism that's REALLY important to funk/jazz bass, but no other bass sample library has this to my knowledge. It's like a stacatto ghost note that comes an eighth (or maybe a sixteenth) note before the target note. It's really common in walking basslines, where the ongoing quarter notes are occasionally decorated with that stacatto rake an eighth note between two of these quarter notes.

The technique is used both on upright and electric basses, and the concept and execution is basically the same.

Yes I understand. But I was primarly wondering about the mappings.From the manual (my comments in italics):

G-1 - D staccato rake - See above

What exactly are G-1 and D refering to, just G-1 and D?

• G#-1 - G staccato rake - This is a technique used in a lot of upright and electric
bass playing, especially in walking bass and funk basslines. The staccato rake is
basically a short open string tone, which usually goes a 16th note or so before an
accented note. It's really an important bassism, but very much a "feel" thing.
What's the difference between these rake and the first one(s) if any? The G#-1 is within the G-1 to D range isn't? And G#1 it's not an open string is it?

• A-1 - pluck muted strings
This is between G-1 and D is not it?
• A#-1 - fret noise - Place these during pitch bends or in between two notes to
simulate the sound of the bassist's finger sliding on a string. These nuances add
realism to your basslines.
And so is this one?

Perhaps I am missing something obvious and the fact that Tracktion 2 and the samples is 2 octaves apart makes it a bit harder to remember which sample belonged to which key after a couple of weeks(upright bass, C-1 = Tracktion, C-3). Thanks for your time.

[Gregjazz]

This is a pretty specific bassism that's REALLY important to funk/jazz bass, but no other bass sample library has this to my knowledge. It's like a stacatto ghost note that comes an eighth (or maybe a sixteenth) note before the target note. It's really common in walking basslines, where the ongoing quarter notes are occasionally decorated with that stacatto rake an eighth note between two of these quarter notes.

The technique is used both on upright and electric basses, and the concept and execution is basically the same.

Yes I understand. But I was primarly wondering about the mappings.From the manual (my comments in italics):

G-1 - D staccato rake - See above

What exactly are G-1 and D refering to, just G-1 and D?

Ohhhh.

It's mapped as G-1, and the sample is of a D open string rake sound.

• G#-1 - G staccato rake - This is a technique used in a lot of upright and electric
bass playing, especially in walking bass and funk basslines. The staccato rake is
basically a short open string tone, which usually goes a 16th note or so before an
accented note. It's really an important bassism, but very much a "feel" thing.
What's the difference between these rake and the first one(s) if any? The G#-1 is within the G-1 to D range isn't? And G#1 it's not an open string is it?

It's mapped as a G#-1, and it's a sample of the G open string rake sound. The difference between this one and the previous one is which string is used. The first one is the D, and this one is the G.

• A-1 - pluck muted strings
This is between G-1 and D is not it?
• A#-1 - fret noise - Place these during pitch bends or in between two notes to
simulate the sound of the bassist's finger sliding on a string. These nuances add
realism to your basslines.
And so is this one?

Hmmm, no. What are you using to play the samples? I'm just wondering if the mapping is the same, or if a conversion messed it up.

Perhaps I am missing something obvious and the fact that Tracktion 2 and the samples is 2 octaves apart makes it a bit harder to remember which sample belonged to which key after a couple of weeks(upright bass, C-1 = Tracktion, C-3). Thanks for your time.

Yeah, that's always a bummer when programs are incompatible in that way. What's so difficult about people seeing that C1 is the first C on a piano (88 keys)?

Personally I just do it by ear. I can't remember the mappings, but I can identify the things if I hear it.

[BosseJo]

It's mapped as a G#-1, and it's a sample of the G open string rake sound. The difference between this one and the previous one is which string is used. The first one is the D, and this one is the G.

I thought so. I think what mislead me here was that I thought there would be four rakes since there are four strings.

Hmmm, no. What are you using to play the samples? I'm just wondering if the mapping is the same, or if a conversion messed it up.

I think there's some misunderstaning here. Everything about the A-1 and A#-1 is copied directly from the manual but your explaination of the rakes clears this up I think. I use wusikstation 3 btw.

Personally I just do it by ear. I can't remember the mappings, but I can identify the things if I hear it.

So do I, but since I don't know much about the upright bass it's hard to know what to listen for, how a rake is suppose to sound. For me a rake was something you used in the fall:)