Reacomp

[koolkeys]

It's because Reacomp makes ice cream, Kingston. And we all like ice cream, right?

[kylen]

...As much as I ponder about it I can't bring myself to understand how it has pipelineaudio so hyped up.

Well - it looks like he's really in to ReaComp, according to the fine video tutorials Bert pointed us to - Pipeline made them. Some of the envelope controls on ReaComp remind me of Blue Cats recent offering. I'll have to play with ReaComp some tonight - I've never had a compressor that did -120db threshold! I was looking for something that would dig a little deep here lately...

[deadbeef]

reacomp is really just another plain vanilla plugin compressor. It does nothing mjcompressor, or citizenchunk vanilla compressor won't - or any other reasonably flexible dynamics processor for that matter. As much as I ponder about it I can't bring myself to understand how it has pipelineaudio so hyped up.

This is simply untrue. While ReaComp may not do any ONE thing that other compressors don't, what's another compressor that does EVERYTHING that ReaComp does? I.e. what's a compressor plug-in that is as flexible and configurable as ReaComp? I haven't seen any. I haven't tried citizenchunk, but mjcompressor definitely doesn't do everything ReaComp does...

[Kingston]

I've never had a compressor that did -120db threshold!

yeah, this one goes to eleven!

[Pipelineaudio]

only pipelineaudio made that ridiculous claim. would just plain irresponsible to take such advice at face value.

Funny, the Vari-Mu compresses, ReaComp compresses. That is the VERY generic definition of interchangeable at least.

reacomp is really just another plain vanilla plugin compressor.

No its not

It does nothing mjcompressor, or citizenchunk vanilla compressor won't - or any other reasonably flexible dynamics processor for that matter.

Alright, lets end your bullshit here and now

NOW you have made a quantifiable claim, NOW people can see the quality of YOUR advice

YOU came into this thread attacking me, not even my message, unprovoked

I took this a lot chiller than I usually do, but this is enough

These compressors dont even have the same controls!!! They do different things

I dont expect YOU to understand what any of these controls do, but just realize if they are or are not there

By the way, since YOU mentioned MJ Comp, some of these controls were added at my request - booya

I dont know who you are

I dont know why you make claims of me being an idiot or you knowing WTF you are talking about

I dont know where all the hate comes from

But hopefully people will see, you are just an angry person, without really much of a point and no backup for any of your claims. Hopefully people will help with wha ails you, but as to listening to you technically? You have only given reasons not to

[koolkeys]

Oy, here we go again......


Got to get another bag of popcorn.

[bduffy]

[Kingston]

since when did the number of features become the determining factor of the quality of compression?

Do people actually think this way? I was never much part of the quantity over quality crowd. The sheer number of features doesn't make the sound any less vanilla. Ie, we've plenty of other plugins covering this sector. My choices are elsewhere, quite obviously.

I dont know why you make claims of me being an idiot or you knowing WTF you are talking about

I dont know where all the hate comes from

You're reflecting because I disagree with your beloved choice. Hence I know where your hate comes from. You see, I'm not angry at all, just providing a side to the argument.

But hopefully people will see, you are just an angry person

[snip]

Hopefully people will help with whails you

and since you're so very infuriated, you try to gather a crowd of mudslingers - people to pat your back.

Have you any idea how ironic your accusations of hatred are? I have this comic image of you shaking your fist at me next to that Vari-mu, which apparently is equal to ReaComp, because - and get this - it compresses.

[Pipelineaudio]

since when did the number of features become the determining factor of the quality of compression?

Quality wasnt the claim you made, you said that reacomp couldnt do anything MjComp couldnt do

You are WRONG

period

Do people actually think this way? I was never much part of the quantity over quality crowd. The sheer number of features doesn't make the sound any less vanilla. Ie, we've plenty of other plugins covering this sector. My choices are elsewhere, quite obviously.

Strawman

You're reflecting because I disagree with your beloved choice. Hence I know where your hate comes from. You see, I'm not angry at all, just providing a side to the argument.

Thats not what happened at all, I dont even think koolkeys would see it that way. We were all having a nice friendly convo, maybe besides championrabbit, and you come in insulting ME, not even what I was saying

ME

Totally unprovoked

and since you're so very infuriated, you try to gather a crowd of mudslingers - people to pat your back.

people?

FACTS are on my side

[Kingston]

1. You are WRONG

2. period

3. Strawman

4. ME

5. Totally unprovoked

FACTS are on my side

your logic is insurmountable.


fact
n

Definition: verifiable truth; reality

It is an event that has definitely and actually taken place, and is distinguishable from a suspicion, innuendo, or supposition. A fact is a truth as opposed to fiction or mistake.




Your downfall is the fact you cannot comprehend the reality that there can be more than one side to an argument.

[pdxindy]

I know nothing about the rarefied air of exotic hardware compressors, but it does seem factually verifiable whether MjComp can do anything that ReaComp can do.

If Pipelineaudio, who is an experienced engineer with access to highend hardware equipment is saying a free/cheap vst compressor is doing as good a job for him, that is information that is worth hearing. I'd like to hear more about that.

I'd like to listen to some examples. Reacomp vs whatever.

[championrabbit]

Jesus people!

Who f**king cares!?!

Really, go outside and play or something.

[Marduchk]

kingston = bitch

pipelinaudio = bitch

stfu bitches leave this for another forum it doesnt belong here

[brok landers]

since when did the number of features become the determining factor of the quality of compression?

kingston, see, this is where you gearfuckers (so to say ) always go wrong, because:

actually, to a certain degree the answer is yes, simply put...

at first:
even though i'm not as deep as you are in technical details, i have dealt with a lot of gear in the last 20 years, i know a lot of gear and i have fine ears which i can absolutely trust.

now, leaving aside that reacomp maybe has a good quality (even if standard) algo, it's the very well thought-out features that let you use this compressor in a very high configurable way ...
in general, the more features, the more you are able to make reacomp fit to the situation it has to work on, and, moreover, the features _do_ influence the character of the sound, as, in whatever way you use the features, the sound is clearly affected by these, otherwise it wouldn't make sense at all to use them.
transfering this example to a synth, best example is fabfilter one:
it is a great sounding va, but i could just never use it because of it's lack the features ... i don't care how good the algo is, how good it sounds, as i can't dial in the sound i need, just as simple as that ...
so features do surely define quality to a certain degree, as these are what you use, to make a certain musical unit fit to the situation.

now, i give you that, of course:
if the basic algorithm is useless, features cannot compensate this, of course.
but in case of reacomp this isn't the case. the basic algo sounds _very_ good. it might be, that it sounds too "plain" good, without a certain colour or such, but it doesn't do anything to the sound that makes it worse.
now the philosophy of this compressor could have been:
giving reacomp a basic, but very good algorithm, and then lay out the features very wise, result is, that you have a very flexible compressor, which you can dial itno mostly every situation on mostly every signal, and the way it's laid out, the features (given one knowes what he does) define the character ...

of course i can see what's your point, and i can see the difference in these compared to pipelines ...
as you are coming from one side, knowing that some units in a compressor shape the sound in a way that a standard compressor algo simpy cannot, may it have a dozen features, pipeline comes from the side, that a _lot_ of character simply results from the fact, that the _way_ one uses the features of a compressor can lead to very highquality results (if the basic compressor algo is just good, doing nothing "wrong" to the signal). now, the way one actually uses the features availlable on reacomp can lead to a characterful compression, which a lot of skilled analog fetishists can be fooled with, trust me, i experianced this over and over with such guys:
"i wear i can hear a valley people in your mix" ... stuff like that, constantly ...
i mean, come on, kingston-bonehead , it's actually funny that exactly you are the biggest propaganda machinery for placebo effects ... can't you simply agree with the fact that this placebo effect could maybe work the other way round, too??
again, i know where you come from, and there's a lot of knowledge and truth in what you state in various discussions, but sometimes you're just completely biased into one direction, not accepting that others made experiances that you still have to wait for to make, sorry to say so ...
maybe, if you start dealing with various other musicstyles and their ways to achieve them, you will be able to understand the different positions and ways of using gear ...what you may claim as absolutely necessary to the attribute "analog sound" others actually see the opposite ... you , f.e. would use a 1176 in a different way, loving it for doing what you want to achieve, knowing you cannot achive it with any other stuff ...
to the opposite, maybe pipeline would use it completly different, strictly avoiding the sound _you_ want to achieve, instead dialing in a sound that _he_ absolutely loves, also knowing that no other unit can do it exactly this way.
what i mean is, that other users use the _same_ gear for completly _different_ results, as they define a _good_ sound different as you do ...
this results in different ways of working philosophys, which pipeline just represents one of them, which is quite different than your's, but certainly _not_ wrong ...
it's just a view from a different angle ...
in case of reacomp:
in one of the first threads about it actually i was the one who claimed it to be very characterful, when correctly used ...
i made the same experiance as pipeline made:
you can use it to achieve very close results to various characters that one would assign certain analog compressors to ...
i cannot tell you the technical backgound of this, but it's true nevertheless, as i can _hear_ it ...
i don't care if this sound is achieved in a completely different way compared to the originals, fact is:
if it sounds like it, would you care?

edit: just tried to fix typos (my english lack sooo hard ... )

[advaya]

Jesus people!

Who f**king cares!?!

I care. I'm always on the lookout for an au-fait software compressor that won't bankrupt me.

I agree with pdxindy re: Pipelineaudio's appraisal of ReaComp. Sifting through all the nonsense arguments and misinterpreted assertions, it appears as though it more than meets his needs.

That peaked my curiosity enough to give it a further look.