Muse Research

Gymnopedies · Post by **Gymnopedies** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:18 am

People have been Hopin',Hollerin' n Belly-Achin' for a VST version (or wrapped) of Reason.

My idea is: If Reason were to be "Receptorized" could it not be arranged that,When instantiated- the Uniwire VST interface could effectively "wrap" Reason and make it available as a VSTi running inside a host.

Something to consider at least:
A) Reason becomes VST accessable.
B) No comprimise on Propellarheads part.
C) Muse gets to be the Hero of literally thousands of music makers & ends a stalemate between P-Heads format image & Vst-heads insistance that Reason could be so much more when intergrated into VST form.

Anyway...Just a bug in Yer' Ears. Nudge,Nudge..Wink,Wink.

Curois · Post by **Curois** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:42 am

Pretty cool idea, but... Reason is a piece of standalone windows/mac-software. Totally different architecture than a VST plugin. The Receptor doesn't run windows but it runs Linux which Muse magically made to accept windows vst's, but that's far from it accepting native windows software.

thesoundsmith · Post by **thesoundsmith** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:01 am

In other words, it's not a Reason-able idea?

(Sorry, I just can't resist an opening that big...)

Curois · Post by **Curois** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:52 pm

And the Pun-of-the-year award goes to *drumroll* The Soundsmith!!!

DigiPRO · Post by **DigiPRO** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:45 am

Ok, so what is the conclusion?

Reason in Receptor?

Hi,

I'm wondering if I can use Receptor or other hardware to get almost zero latency for Reason (Propellerhead)?

I'm using Scope 3.1 card and I'm without problem down to 2 ms in Reason, but I hear the latency so I want it to be almost 0 ms. Is that possible with Receptor or some other hardware connection?

Thank you.

ajswanson · Post by **ajswanson** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:23 pm

Can you expand on that a bit, I'm curious how you are getting latency from Reason. What is your setup? Are you using it WITH a DAW?

To be on topic, Reason, unless it is made to be a VST plugin is a long ways away from being available on the Receptor. And Receptor (or any other external device) will never be 0ms latency.

DigiPRO · Post by **DigiPRO** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:43 pm

ajswanson,

Shall I open new post for your question?

SoftJunkie · Post by **SoftJunkie** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:21 am

if you can hear the latency, your hw/sw is probably lying to you about the 2ms? 2ms is the time it takes for the sound to travel 2 feet.

DigiPRO · Post by **DigiPRO** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:53 am

What I meant was that I feel latency. I have played piano whole my life and I perfectly feels when the sound is delayed after pressing the key. For me personal it is very annoying.

That is one of the main reasons why I still use hardware synths modules for playing. For post production when everything is recorded, than it is ok with soft synths.

gregh1 · Post by **gregh1** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:49 pm

DijiPRO, piano has a large physical latency - the hammer does not strike the string the moment you touch the ivory. There is a certain range of mechanical motion that must be achieved to build inertia for the hit. But the hammer usually does hit the string before, or just as, the key bottoms out on the keybed, so this gives you the illusion of instant response.
Hardware synths (digital ones, at least) are generally known to have latency on the order of 10 to 15ms, since they are just dedicated computing devices. Again, the key travel and contact points alter the illusion.

DigiPRO · Post by **DigiPRO** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:01 pm

I agree with you, that was my point. I mean the latency from the moment that the key bottoms out on the keybed, not from the moment I touch the ivory. That is the difference. I tried today with my JV-1080. It is a totally different story.

gregh1 · Post by **gregh1** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:19 pm

OK! It's interesting that piano players seem sensitive to latency, and yet my informal tests today on my piano showed a latency of at least 50ms from the time my finger first touched the ivory (with a mf keystroke).

ajswanson · Post by **ajswanson** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:30 pm

Back to DigiPROs question, I dont think there is any hardware on the market that will reduce the latency from your keyboard to Reason. I suppose an upgrade to your audio card would be the only possible solution. But even then, I dont think you could reduce that much.

Reason has been prety efficient for for, but then, I dont notice any latency below 12-15ms....

DigiPRO · Post by **DigiPRO** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:39 pm

Actually, you are right.

The problem was that Reason shows wrong values, when it shows 2 ms it is actually 40 ms which I can feel nad I cant play then. I have compared with Pro - 53. There I can achieve 35 ms as best value before crackles and sparkles takes over.

Thanks.

ajswanson · Post by **ajswanson** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:44 pm

Are you running Reason Rewired through a DAW or direct as a stand alonoe?

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