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ocmtime · Post by **ocmtime** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:55 am

what is a sinker in songwriting?

BertKoor · Post by **BertKoor** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:50 am

Where did you find this? Looking at the whole context could make it clear.

I'd say either it's a chord progression that's going down (e.g G D/F# F C/E) or it's missing a T and it's not a compliment...

Toxikator · Post by **Toxikator** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:09 pm

A song which peaks quickly at the top of the charts and then does nothing but sink?

I have no idea. I agree, the context is probably essential.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:14 pm

eet ees de hwan who sinks, the sinker of dee sonk, ce...

Deric · Post by **Deric** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:15 pm

BertKoor wrote:...or it's missing a T and it's not a compliment...

BosseJo · Post by **BosseJo** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:21 pm

Opposite to Hook? Bait-sinker...

ocmtime · Post by **ocmtime** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:05 pm

yes bosseJo it's related to the hook and what it does is kill the hook somewhere so when u hear the hook again you like the hook even more. problem is how can I make the best sinker for a given hook.there must be somekind of rule .contry songwriters use this technique all the time.And I know each time I heared Shania Twain on tv I used to find a strange part that brought tension and it was the sinker. That's it I am off to youtiube to study.

wrench45us · Post by **wrench45us** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:50 pm

is that right?
so there's a melody line
a hook
and a sinker?

seems way too neat a package

so similar to a bridge or break?
pedal steel solo?

ocmtime · Post by **ocmtime** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:07 pm

no the sinker is actualy the strange part of the chorus situated at 3 quaters of the chorus or at the end

BosseJo · Post by **BosseJo** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:28 pm

ocmtime wrote:yes bosseJo it's related to the hook and what it does is kill the hook somewhere so when u hear the hook again you like the hook even more. problem is how can I make the best sinker for a given hook.there must be somekind of rule .contry songwriters use this technique all the time.And I know each time I heared Shania Twain on tv I used to find a strange part that brought tension and it was the sinker. That's it I am off to youtiube to study.

Do you have an example of a tune that uses a hook and sinker? There's something fishy in that sentence isn't there

gnu23 · Post by **gnu23** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:57 am

BosseJo wrote:
ocmtime wrote:yes bosseJo it's related to the hook and what it does is kill the hook somewhere so when u hear the hook again you like the hook even more. problem is how can I make the best sinker for a given hook.there must be somekind of rule .contry songwriters use this technique all the time.And I know each time I heared Shania Twain on tv I used to find a strange part that brought tension and it was the sinker. That's it I am off to youtiube to study.
Do you have an example of a tune that uses a hook and sinker? There's something fishy in that sentence isn't there

I'm likely to be wrong on this, but XTC's King For A Day may be a good example of a hook+sinker...(edit: or now that I think about it, maybe a sinker w/return to the hook)

BertKoor · Post by **BertKoor** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:13 am

http://www.txstate.edu/ctmh/images/jour ... s/8-25.pdf

the fisherman's approach to songwriting, hook, line, and sinker. You have to start with a great hook idea, often the title. Then you need a great first line that is strong enough to hold the listener from the start. And, finally, you need to leave the listener with something significant which sinks into their memory so they'll know what to request on the radio or at the stores."

Toxikator · Post by **Toxikator** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:34 pm

That all sounds sort of meaningless to me.

Translation:

Hook = quality, memorable musical idea
Line = quality, memorable musical idea
Sinker = quality, memorable musical idea

isn't that just sort of like saying "write a good song" and then slapping a fishing analogy on it?

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:18 pm

Yes, it is "sort of like" that... when translated poorly for effect.

BertKoor · Post by **BertKoor** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:55 pm

Here at KVR there's always the "fish" option (unless you fancy the Pony option more

)
It's not my idea btw...