I know the question is stupid. It must be easy, but I'm looking to do this simple operation since more than one hour. I've looked the documentation and I've searched the forum. The forum is huge and I canm't seem to find the info with a search
I just want Import a midi file and then assign channel 10 to the drum track of this midi file. The documentation only says : "Note that you can choose the MIDI channel via the sequence part's context menu" I am not even sure which one is the "sequence part's context menu"
Can someone please just give me steps? I thank you all in advance I apologize for being totally incompetent. Regards.
Luna 8.4 How to change the Midi channel?
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- KVRer
- 4 posts since 19 Apr, 2007
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- KVRian
- 951 posts since 14 Apr, 2004 from Maryland, USA
A sequence part is one containing MIDI data, on one of the tracks. It's context menu is shown by right-clicking on the sequence part. So that's how you get to that. If you're using LUNA free (which doesn't support multi-timbral VSTis), I'm not sure that the MIDI channel setting option is available in that version.
DaveL
DaveL
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 4 posts since 19 Apr, 2007
Yes, I know what a midi sequence is, on the the other side I don't what a multi-timbral VST is. I know what a VST plug-in is though. In this example, I don't see where to change the midi channel from the sequence part's context menu. I right-clic the midi sequence and none of the sub-menu items show me an option to change the midi channel.
The problem I have is that the drum part of a General Midi file sounds like a piano. I just want to set it to channel 10 so I will hear the drum (from my midi output which is for now only the standard patch from my souncard)
I figured out already how to use a vst for the drum (like battery 2 or groove agent). However the latency is horrible with the standard ASIO driver so I can't get it to sync with the rest of the music. For now I would be satisfied to just hear the "Casio lunchbox" sound of my sound card for the drum. I try to teach to teens the basics with midi and music but I want to do this with only free availlable softawre...
The problem I have is that the drum part of a General Midi file sounds like a piano. I just want to set it to channel 10 so I will hear the drum (from my midi output which is for now only the standard patch from my souncard)
I figured out already how to use a vst for the drum (like battery 2 or groove agent). However the latency is horrible with the standard ASIO driver so I can't get it to sync with the rest of the music. For now I would be satisfied to just hear the "Casio lunchbox" sound of my sound card for the drum. I try to teach to teens the basics with midi and music but I want to do this with only free availlable softawre...
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- KVRAF
- 1645 posts since 24 May, 2002
Indeed, LUNA FREE does not show the "change midi channel" in that context menu as it doesn't support multi-timbrality. LUNA Unlimited does have that option!Nienscecco wrote:Yes, I know what a midi sequence is, on the the other side I don't what a multi-timbral VST is. I know what a VST plug-in is though. In this example, I don't see where to change the midi channel from the sequence part's context menu. I right-clic the midi sequence and none of the sub-menu items show me an option to change the midi channel.
You could extract the drum events to a new sequence, and then send that sequence to a VSTI (on chan 1 that is).I figured out already how to use a vst for the drum (like battery 2 or groove agent). However the latency is horrible with the standard ASIO driver so I can't get it to sync with the rest of the music. For now I would be satisfied to just hear the "Casio lunchbox" sound of my sound card for the drum. I try to teach to teens the basics with midi and music but I want to do this with only free availlable softawre...
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- KVRian
- 951 posts since 14 Apr, 2004 from Maryland, USA
A VST is a software effect, a VSTi is a software instrument / synthesizer (like Battery 2). A multi-timbral VSTi is one that can accept data concurrently on more than one MIDI channel, with different sounds resulting from each separate channel's MIDI data (an example would be the Computer Music magazine's DS-404 sampler). Most VSTis aren't multi-timbral and just take their input on Channel 1, so setting MIDI channels isn't a requirement with them. This page at MUTOOLS.com includes a chart that compares the different versions of LUNA, and the free version doesn't support multi-timbral VSTi's, and therefore (I think) doesn't support setting MIDI channels on sequence parts. Which rather limits its ability for use as a sequencer for hardware MIDI devices like your sound card (something I hadn't thought about much until now).
DaveL
DaveL
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- KVRian
- 951 posts since 14 Apr, 2004 from Maryland, USA
Well, much as I don't want to drive anyone away from LUNA, you may be stuck and unable to use LUNA Free for what you're trying to accomplish. A quick perusal of the Windows host list suggests that maybe something like Music Studio Independence might be worth you consideration (I've not played with it, though). It's shareware, but the licensing terms might be OK for your use:Nienscecco wrote:The problem I have is that the drum part of a General Midi file sounds like a piano. I just want to set it to channel 10 so I will hear the drum (from my midi output which is for now only the standard patch from my soundcard)
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I try to teach to teens the basics with midi and music but I want to do this with only free available software...
Other options you could consider would be the CMusic program that come with Computer Music magazine -- it's an older version of LUNA but does support setting MIDI channels, so one copy of CM would set you up there. Or maybe REAPER.Music Studio Independence is shareware. Until regisration, the length of the song will be limited up to one minute.
Or maybe Jo would have another solution?
DaveL
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- KVRAF
- 1645 posts since 24 May, 2002
I agree, it's a point to think about. LUNA Free should be able to act as a nice midi sequencer. (maybe the MT limit should apply for VSTIs only)
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- KVRian
- 951 posts since 14 Apr, 2004 from Maryland, USA
If that's a straightforward thing to implement, I think it might appeal to some folks. OTOH, it's not clear it'd be a "selling point".muzycian wrote:(maybe the MT limit should apply for VSTIs only)
But in the past, I've used CMuzys as a sequencer with my GM keyboard and found that quite nice.DaveL
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 4 posts since 19 Apr, 2007
Thank you very much for answering me. Indeed I did not realize There was a Luna FREE and a Luna Unlimited version. My bad. I understand now.
By the way it's true that I've never made a clear diference between VST and VSTi, I'll cautious about this now At least I learned what Multi-timbral was.
By continuing my search I've come into the "ASIO for All project" website and this driver solves the Latency issue I had with the drum VSTi. But Groeve agent or Battery2 are not free so I would be missing a free drum VSTi that sounds ok (basic acoustic drum kit) to complete what I want.
Thank you for your suggestions, I will look into them for sure
Regards
By the way it's true that I've never made a clear diference between VST and VSTi, I'll cautious about this now
At least I learned what Multi-timbral was. By continuing my search I've come into the "ASIO for All project" website and this driver solves the Latency issue I had with the drum VSTi. But Groeve agent or Battery2 are not free so I would be missing a free drum VSTi that sounds ok (basic acoustic drum kit) to complete what I want.
Thank you for your suggestions, I will look into them for sure
Regards
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- KVRian
- 951 posts since 14 Apr, 2004 from Maryland, USA
I can offer at least two suggestions for a drum VSTi:
* DR-Fusion, which I've played with and find fairly effective; it's got a pretty good rep on the instruments forum here.
* Grizzly, which was developed for the KVR Developer's challenge and looks pretty nifty.
Some other options would be the Computer Music mag SR-202 and CM-505; the latter's an electronic drum synth, the former a drum sample player (so you'd need some suitable samples).
A good way to find options for these is to find one item of a particular type in the KVR database, then click the "Primary Type" link in the left column of the listing to find other similar plug-ins. So, if you look up Battery and click that link, the result give you 46 options (including SR-202).
Hope one of these is helpful.
DaveL
* DR-Fusion, which I've played with and find fairly effective; it's got a pretty good rep on the instruments forum here.
* Grizzly, which was developed for the KVR Developer's challenge and looks pretty nifty.
Some other options would be the Computer Music mag SR-202 and CM-505; the latter's an electronic drum synth, the former a drum sample player (so you'd need some suitable samples).
A good way to find options for these is to find one item of a particular type in the KVR database, then click the "Primary Type" link in the left column of the listing to find other similar plug-ins. So, if you look up Battery and click that link, the result give you 46 options (including SR-202).
Hope one of these is helpful.
DaveL
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- KVRian
- 951 posts since 14 Apr, 2004 from Maryland, USA
It also occurs to me, give your objective, that it might be worth hunting up a copy of the new Computer Music magazine special issue on freeware. That should give you plenty of bits of good free software to use with your students.
DaveL
DaveL
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- KVRist
- 41 posts since 16 Apr, 2005
Hi,
I've gotten good results with the two different Drumatic versions found here:
And if you prefer acoustic drums like in real, leather beating traditional drums, then you can't go wrong with Natural Studio's free kit and a suitable sample player (e.g. soundfont version + sound player or wav + sampler):
grizzly
I've gotten good results with the two different Drumatic versions found here:
And if you prefer acoustic drums like in real, leather beating traditional drums, then you can't go wrong with Natural Studio's free kit and a suitable sample player (e.g. soundfont version + sound player or wav + sampler):
- http://www.naturalstudio.co.uk/
http://www.rgcaudio.com/sfz.htm (soundfont player)
http://www.discodsp.com/highlife/ (wav and Akai sampler)
grizzly
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 4 posts since 19 Apr, 2007
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This issue of the computer music magazine is indeed exactly what I need! Thanks again!DaveL60 wrote:It also occurs to me, give your objective, that it might be worth hunting up a copy of the new Computer Music magazine special issue on freeware (http://www.computermusic.co.uk/page/computermusic?entry=the_cm_freeware_top_50). That should give you plenty of bits of good free software to use with your students.
DaveL
I will also look into the free drum VSTI!