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beergeek · Post by **beergeek** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 2:57 pm

Kriminal wrote:How about trying to get the sounds of a decent guitarist???

ohhh..now that was naughty

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:26 pm

beergeek wrote:
Kriminal wrote:How about trying to get the sounds of a decent guitarist???
ohhh..now that was naughty

I call it accurate

...sorry but listening to Hendrix is the quickest way for me to get ear fatigue, emulating out of date tones that were achieved with 40 year old technology isn't all that impressive or challenging (sorry Squids)

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 4:37 pm

I loves me Hendrix, AND I love modern tones/techniques as well.

redshift factor · Post by **redshift factor** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 5:47 pm

I don't know anything about sounding like Hendrix, but I can say having a modeled Marshall JTM45, Fender Twin Reverb, Vox Wah, and UniVibe makes it a very worthwhile software package. This is all great gear, in anyone's hands.

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 5:49 pm

redshift factor wrote:I don't know anything about sounding like Hendrix, but I can say having a modeled Marshall JTM45, Fender Twin Reverb, Vox Wah, and UniVibe makes it a very worthwhile software package.

even if the models are all half hearted digital crap and sounding nothing like the targets?

I don't think so. Homey don't play dat.

redshift factor · Post by **redshift factor** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:16 pm

Are you saying that's the case with AT2/ATJH?
I really hope not, because as a software developer yourself, such comments would be really unbecoming.

I haven't heard ATJH yet, and I'm not sure how you could have either. I have heard AT2, and everyone knows its the best ampsim on the market. If ATJH continues in that tradition, as I'm sure it will, then Homey will be missing out.

Personally, I'm really excited about the JTM45 model. This was the first Marshall amp issued. The Bluesbreaker '62 was the same amp, but as a combo.

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:20 pm

redshift factor wrote:I have heard AT2, and everyone knows its the best ampsim on the market.

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/

ddummer · Post by **ddummer** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:18 pm

Thanks for the lesson.

//Daniel

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 2:08 am

redshift factor wrote:I don't know anything about sounding like Hendrix, but I can say having a modeled Marshall JTM45, Fender Twin Reverb, Vox Wah, and UniVibe makes it a very worthwhile software package. This is all great gear, in anyone's hands.

Red, you get it.

Hink, if you don't particularly care for Hendrix tones just avoid the presets that's all. The modeled gear inside is what makes this thing for everyone (IMO). I mean, chances are some of your favorite guitarists use at least a couple of the pedals or amps that are modeled in this.

One of the things I am the most excited about in this are the fact that there are so many DIFFERENT fuzz boxes. Different than overdrive and distortion pedals. AT2 had the fuzzface but that's it. IMO that's not even the fuzziest of fuzzboxes really (despite the name). The Mosrite Fuzzrite is a really cool pedal. I always wanted one of those but they are very rare and expensive. The Axis fuzz is cool as is the Octavia which is a fuzz with an octave divider. The Maestro Fuzztone is cool. When you plug into that it sounds just like the Stones' Satisfaction. All of these have distinct character to them and they're just great to have around. JH Edition is kind of like a little fuzz tool box on top of everything else. It definitely compensates for AT2 (and any other amp/effect plug) and their lack of a variety of fuzz boxes.

A3ntar · Post by **A3ntar** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:12 am

Squids wrote:
redshift factor wrote:I don't know anything about sounding like Hendrix, but I can say having a modeled Marshall JTM45, Fender Twin Reverb, Vox Wah, and UniVibe makes it a very worthwhile software package. This is all great gear, in anyone's hands.
Red, you get it.

Hink, if you don't particularly care for Hendrix tones just avoid the presets that's all. The modeled gear inside is what makes this thing for everyone (IMO). I mean, chances are some of your favorite guitarists use at least a couple of the pedals or amps that are modeled in this.

One of the things I am the most excited about in this are the fact that there are so many DIFFERENT fuzz boxes. Different than overdrive and distortion pedals. AT2 had the fuzzface but that's it. IMO that's not even the fuzziest of fuzzboxes really (despite the name). The Mosrite Fuzzrite is a really cool pedal. I always wanted one of those but they are very rare and expensive. The Axis fuzz is cool as is the Octavia which is a fuzz with an octave divider. The Maestro Fuzztone is cool. When you plug into that it sounds just like the Stones' Satisfaction. All of these have distinct character to them and they're just great to have around. JH Edition is kind of like a little fuzz tool box on top of everything else. It definitely compensates for AT2 (and any other amp/effect plug) and their lack of a variety of fuzz boxes.

Squids, since you already have the final version of AT2JHE, can you tell us if the standalone version supports midi controllers?

redshift factor · Post by **redshift factor** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:12 pm

Squids, a few questions:

1.) Does pairing the British Lead Super 45 (Marshall JTM45) with the 4x12 Closed 25 C (25W Celestion) give an authentic Bluesbreaker tone? Is this speaker a G12M 'Greenback' or an Alnico? The Bluesbreaker was a JTM45 amp combo with 2 25W Greenback 12s.

2.) Do you know if the JTM45 EQ module has the 33k/500pf tone stack mod that Hendrix did?

3.) According to the IK site, both high and low inputs are modeled for the JTM45. How do you access one or the other?

4.) I read several posts back that you said the only thing reused from AT2 is the rack effects, and even the FuzzFace is a different model than that in AT2. Is the same true for the Opto-Tremolo as well?

5.) Finally, I am a bit confused as to why ATJH doesn't include a Sound City (proto-Hiwatt) model. ATJH claims to recreate the complete rig of Jimi Hendrix, but without this amp, it really isn't, is it?

.

sc_a · Post by **sc_a** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 2:12 pm

Foxy Lady! Go Jimi Go!

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:34 pm

A3ntar wrote:
Squids wrote:
redshift factor wrote:I don't know anything about sounding like Hendrix, but I can say having a modeled Marshall JTM45, Fender Twin Reverb, Vox Wah, and UniVibe makes it a very worthwhile software package. This is all great gear, in anyone's hands.
Red, you get it.

Hink, if you don't particularly care for Hendrix tones just avoid the presets that's all. The modeled gear inside is what makes this thing for everyone (IMO). I mean, chances are some of your favorite guitarists use at least a couple of the pedals or amps that are modeled in this.

One of the things I am the most excited about in this are the fact that there are so many DIFFERENT fuzz boxes. Different than overdrive and distortion pedals. AT2 had the fuzzface but that's it. IMO that's not even the fuzziest of fuzzboxes really (despite the name). The Mosrite Fuzzrite is a really cool pedal. I always wanted one of those but they are very rare and expensive. The Axis fuzz is cool as is the Octavia which is a fuzz with an octave divider. The Maestro Fuzztone is cool. When you plug into that it sounds just like the Stones' Satisfaction. All of these have distinct character to them and they're just great to have around. JH Edition is kind of like a little fuzz tool box on top of everything else. It definitely compensates for AT2 (and any other amp/effect plug) and their lack of a variety of fuzz boxes.
Squids, since you already have the final version of AT2JHE, can you tell us if the standalone version supports midi controllers?

I have a Beta and it's VST. However I think that it is in the same boat as AT2. I could be wrong. But, either way there will be an update for all of them to at least have basic midi control. Of course all of the amps and effects will respond well to the Stomp IO when it comes out.

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:51 pm

redshift factor wrote:Squids, a few questions:

1.) Does pairing the British Lead Super 45 (Marshall JTM45) with the 4x12 Closed 25 C (25W Celestion) give an authentic Bluesbreaker tone? Is this speaker a G12M 'Greenback' or an Alnico? The Bluesbreaker was a JTM45 amp combo with 2 25W Greenback 12s.

2.) Do you know if the JTM45 EQ module has the 33k/500pf tone stack mod that Hendrix did?

3.) According to the IK site, both high and low inputs are modeled for the JTM45. How do you access one or the other?

4.) I read several posts back that you said the only thing reused from AT2 is the rack effects, and even the FuzzFace is a different model than that in AT2. Is the same true for the Opto-Tremolo as well?

5.) Finally, I am a bit confused as to why ATJH doesn't include a Sound City (proto-Hiwatt) model. ATJH claims to recreate the complete rig of Jimi Hendrix, but without this amp, it really isn't, is it?

.

I believe the Opto-Tremolo is the same as well. Missed that one. But, anyway, you get the point which is that it is mostly about it being new stuff you don't have in your AT2.

As to no Sound City (proto-Hiwatt) model and recreating the complete rig of Hendrix there's a couple of things to consider. First of all, there's a lot of speculation about his various rigs (not just one but many) and conflicting information about it out there. There are a lot of things that people say he used but IK went for the main rigs first. I do think though that if it is successful (which I believe it will be) that there will be future updates with added models such as this one. There are actually a few others that are more esoteric that are missing as well such as a Sunn PA head which also was a part of his sound for live shows (although there is the Sunn cabinet in there). There's also no Electric Mistress Flanger in there and I always thought that it was a pedal Hendrix used but for some reason it didn't come up in the research. Maybe that's a myth. But, if I can find some data supporting it then it's possible that can be added in a future update (hey, any excuse to have a model of that pedal would be good!!!! I like my EH pedals).

So, it IS the complete rig of JH. In fact it is several complete rigs. But, the list of gear he may have used extends outward quite a bit. This is definitely the most complete modeling collection of his gear out of everything else out there though. I think it is the most accurate as well.

To answer your other questions I will have to get back to you to be sure. Remember I didn't do any of the DSP or modeling work whatsoever. I simply sent over some of my vintage pedal collection for IK's engineers and programmers to model.

redshift factor · Post by **redshift factor** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:46 pm

Thanks for the reply, Squids. After looking closer at the AT2 components, I saw it provides a 2x12 closed Greenback model. Once you're able to integrate ATJH into AT2, you should be able to create an authentic sounding original Bluesbreaker by combining the JTM45 amp with the AT2 2x12 Greenback model (and sticking in the Opto-Tremolo.)

I assume you'll be able to mix and match individual module components between AT2 and ATJH once you can integrate them, so, if the JTM45 has Jimi's authentic tone stack mod, you should in theory be able to use the British Tube Lead 1 EQ from AT2 to "unmod" it, if you wish.

Or better yet, perhaps IK could include both a stock and modded JTM45 EQ module to choose from in a future ATJH update (assuming they don't already.)

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