Dr Rex, VST?

[loachm]

Actually there is a MAC plugin that offers forward reverse looping but nothing doing for PC..

...I'm a bit confused and I'm unsure if I got you wrong as Recycle is just doing this. To me this looks perfectly like a "mirrored" tail with a fade-out. You can get this, when you turn the "stretch" knob. This is one feature for what I really love Recycle and I use it all the time. It adds a nice fade-out to the single slices which would simply sound "cut off" without this feature. See...




But I don't understand why you'd want an infinite "mirrored" tail? I mean, how long is a sustain of a drum sound naturally? If I wanted to stretch the hell out of one sound I would use Melodyne ...

Bang on, loachm. It's stunning how outdated this program is becoming! Man, those shortcut keys SUCK!! Nothing like doing the ctrl+1, ctrl+4 switch...Holy Carpel-Tunnel, Batman!

What does Propellerheads have against shortcuts, anyway? What does Reason have? Like, 12 keyboard shortcuts, maybe? Hello! 2007 is calling!

...you're right, I would so love to see an update of Recycle... ...anyone of the Props around here listening?

[Lagrange]

...I'm a bit confused and I'm unsure if I got you wrong as Recycle is just doing this.

But I don't understand why you'd want an infinite "mirrored" tail? I mean, how long is a sustain of a drum sound naturally? If I wanted to stretch the hell out of one sound I would use Melodyne Love...

The downside to timestretching is that the transient can sound unnatural (with extreme stretching). The upside is you can cut up the file in Melodyne and just stretch the tail. Bahh nothing a quality reverb can't fill.

But what do you mean by mirror stretching.

I think were on the same page now.. I was just clarifing.

L

[bduffy]

Why is it "mirror", though? Why not just "stretching"?

[Lagrange]

Can you change the volume, pitch, or filter on each slice separately with Stylus RMX?

Stylus classic dealt with this issue via an individual Zone Edit option. RMX allows you to assign different components of a loop to different 'edit-groups' for independent pitching, effects and filtering etc. This simple option makes for a massive increase in the tweakability of any loop, and you can have up to eight active edit groups for each part when working in 'slicemenu' mode.

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HTH

[Lagrange]

It adds a nice fade-out to the single slices which would simply sound "cut off" without this feature.

And is a pain to apply in a non 'mirror stretching' host/sampler/or editor(without batch)..

Why is it "mirror", though? Why not just "stretching"?

Sorry just quoting a menu on FL slicer's stretch options..

TimeStretch = Lengthening with an algorithm.
Mirror = Forward Reverse looping.

hth

[Squids]

At the moment, the R.A.W. series is just the sound content... the loops themselves in the three formats of Rex, Apple Loops and Wave. You can read about and even buy them here: http://www.esoundz.com/sounds2.php?p=st ... =0&stiid=0

But, I know this thread isn't about "where can I get some cool loops". I just thought I'd let you know about the aspect of them that relates to comparisons between Rex players and software that plays Apple Loops and Acidized Waves. Also, good to mention that if you own Stylus RMX these titles are like expanders for that too since we bothered to adhere to the standards for importing rex (folder hierarchy, less than 61 files per folder, less than 31 characters etc.).

On the software side of things, we have been working on a product called "R.A.W. Sound Manager" and it actually does exist right now as an in-house tool (it's how we convert and tag all of our files). One of the cool things about it is that you can actually tag your Rex and Waves just as deep or deeper than you can with Apple Loops. The only problem is that no host currently can read that data (although we'll have a conversion utility that can go to Cubase's media bay). We did all of the loops for Tracktion 3 which works that way but they're Apple Loops so it is reading the meta tag data that Apple products also read.

Our conversion utility does convert bit and sample rates and I believe stereo to mono as well. The only thing it can't do is convert TO Rex2 because it's encrypted and Propellerheads hasn't yet made that ability available. I wish they would but that, as we all know, would be tough on Recycle sales. Still, we do have the most accurate conversion to Apple Loops and Acidized Wave from Rex2 that exists... believe me. It was hell to arrive there. So, we'll see. Maybe we'll release it... perhaps with some other loop tools you guys may like.

[bduffy]

Sounds awesome!

Lagrange, thanks for explaining.

[Lagrange]

Our conversion utility does convert bit and sample rates and I believe stereo to mono as well. So, we'll see. Maybe we'll release it... perhaps with some other loop tools you guys may like.

Can't wait!!
My requests:

- Mirror stretch compatibility between formats.
- Embedding of Recycle markers, time signature and tempo to WAV/ACIDLOOP.
- Batch processing ..
- Audio preview from files in directory tree.
- Streamline conversion for opening libraries in SRMX.

This would be amazing!

L

[Squids]

Our conversion utility does convert bit and sample rates and I believe stereo to mono as well. So, we'll see. Maybe we'll release it... perhaps with some other loop tools you guys may like.

Can't wait!!
My requests:

- Mirror stretch compatibility between formats.
- Embedding of Recycle markers, time signature and tempo to WAV/ACIDLOOP.
- Batch processing ..
- Audio preview from files in directory tree.
- Streamline conversion for opening libraries in SRMX.

This would be amazing!

L

The first one isn't possible because that has to do with the player itself, not the format of the file. But, actually everything else you mention we can already do in our app. It's not even that ugly. However, it's not on the Mac yet and it's in multiple parts so... it's kind of messy for a commercial release. We're more interested in selling loops since we're a sound company. But I bet this would be something people would love. We actually have bigger plans for loops relating to "Loop Club" on www.esoundz.com where you can listen to a loop in any of these three formats and download the loop you like one for one and buy them in bulk with credits. We're in the process of uploading about 50,000 loops to Loop Club right now that are all tagged and have that same consistent slicing I was telling you about. But, at some point we'll be releasing some local tools to be able to sort and convert your loops. At least that's the plan.

Oh, since I have invaded this thread already anyway, I might as well mention that we also have found a way to make the only multitrack drum loops in rex where each mic channel retains its proper relative timing to the other. The reason this isn't available from any other company is because Recycle being the only thing that authors Rex2 does NOT deal with multitrack files. Other programs do though but they just don't author Rex2. So, we had to write proprietary software to be able to do that as well. In fact, it is a whole elaborate mathematical scheme but it is sample accurate and basically allows you to take something like Stylus RMX with our loops and mix it like you do with drums in BFD. Pretty cool! Those are called "Studio ProFiles" and we have one on esoundz called the "Special Edition" which is a taster of the upcoming libraries. We're getting ready to release a whole bunch of multitrack titles next month (in Rex, Apple Loops and Wave format).

Again, I know I am the borderline spammer but at least there is something unique about the aspect of the rexes that some of you may find interesting. Also if anyone is curious and wants to try out some of these loops, perhaps some multitrack rexes to see what that's like then I will upload some free ones soon. Just remind me and visit our company forum here on KVR. http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=9

[loachm]

It adds a nice fade-out to the single slices which would simply sound "cut off" without this feature.

And is a pain to apply in a non 'mirror stretching' host/sampler/or editor(without batch)..

...you actually tried that?? such bravery is what I would call defiance of death!!! ...

[loachm]

...a question to the Beat Quantizer users: I have tried the demo for a few minutes and an immediate turn-off has been that it wasn't very obvious to me how to remove a slice marker. I looked up in the context menu and found out that you'd have to press "-". I tried to select the respective slice marker to remove it, but I couldn't. Instead the mouse arrow changed to a hand with a pointing index finger. I tried to press "-" again, didn't work either. It didn't work until I selected the respective slice, then hoovered with the mouse over the marker and finally pressed "-". Have I done something wrong? I admit, describing the single steps does make the whole thing look much more complicated than it actually is, but I have the feeling that it can't beat "ctrl + 2" & clicking on the slice marker. One thing I love about Recycle is its intuitive usage - you don't even need a manual to use the program...

[Lagrange]

...you actually tried that?? such bravery is what I would call defiance of death!!! ...

I think I've tryed almost everything at least once

hoovered with the mouse over the marker and finally pressed "-". Have I done something wrong?

No thats how it works unfortunately.. Teadeous..

One thing I love about Recycle is its intuitive usage - you don't even need a manual to use the program...

Agreed!

L

[loachm]

hoovered with the mouse over the marker and finally pressed "-". Have I done something wrong?

No thats how it works unfortunately.. Teadeous..

...and there goes Beat Quantizer - it has a heavy price tag anyway (given I already have the slicer of all slicers )...


...killer tracks btw ...

[AKJ]

right-click and select delete, or, select the slice (you can move around using the arrow keys) and when you come to the resp. slice simply press "-": very intuitive and easy if you ask me

[loachm]

right-click and select delete, or, select the slice (you can move around using the arrow keys) and when you come to the resp. slice simply press "-": very intuitive and easy if you ask me

...maybe. But I'm too old to change my habits. However, here's another one for you - you can select a range of slices by using shift-click. Ctrl-click to select only some slices doesn't seem to work either. Beat Quantizer surely has a lot of nice features to offer (e.g. seemingly something to tag the slices with its respective category - bd, sd, ch, oh etc. ), but for me it doesn't feel right and I have become very acquainted to Recycle. However, an update of Recycle would be more than nice...