KVR Audio

rektek · Post by **rektek** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:56 am

bernhardtjeff wrote:i wonder if the jazzmutant lemur could help you in some way. a bit expensive for just this use, i guess.

maybe experiment with a cheap normal midi keyboard. take off the keys, get at the actual triggers underneath, tap directly onto them or something? for the way you wanna do it, i don't think the mic idea sounds like the the way to go. it sounds like you really just want a padkontrol with much more sensitivity.

if you had a ribbon controller (or kaoss pad, like you said), you could probably use a midi-munger or something to set it to send different notes for different ranges of cc values it receives from the controller. no velocity sensitivity, though.

ok you hear what im saying

also thats a great idea with taking of the keys off a cheap midi board.
definately.....
i wonder if the triggers can somehow be removed or extended with copper wire

and about velocity sens: would be nice but not critical.... its capturing the pattern and fills that is most important

rhythmsickness · Post by **rhythmsickness** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:56 am

although thinking about it, have you looked into getting specific drum traps, ie from a midi drum setup and using those? I would imagine they would be more sensitive than the drumpad triggers, although you again would need a traps to midi converter and some way to record them.

rhythmsickness · Post by **rhythmsickness** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:02 am

if you're looking for parts to build your own then heres not a bad place to start

http://www.midibox.org/dokuwiki/doku.ph ... components

rektek · Post by **rektek** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:06 am

rhythmsickness wrote: why not just use something like live or midikeys?
live lets you use the qwerty keys for midi keys, and midikeys does the same thing.
If keyboard presses are sensitive enough for you then perhaps you could jury rig a special keyboard for this very purpose, that you could cut down to just having the keys on you require for drumming with.

good call, but i tried this approach.

the qwerty keys on a regular desktop keyboard are ironicaly better than piano-style midi keys for what im trying to do, but still much too deep for any quick movements.
laptop keys alot better, but still a bit weird.

ideally the surface should be flat as this is what im most used to in order to get optimum speed and spring-back/bounce

rhythmsickness · Post by **rhythmsickness** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:13 am

rektek wrote:
good call, but i tried this approach.

the qwerty keys on a regular desktop keyboard are ironicaly better than piano-style midi keys for what im trying to do, but still much too deep for any quick movements.
laptop keys alot better, but still a bit weird.

ideally the surface should be flat as this is what im most used to in order to get optimum speed and spring-back/bounce

yeah, but there are flatter style keyboards out there, maplin (amongst others have quite a wide selection) there is a IR light keyboard, that you can put onto any flat surface, that is sold by 'I want one of those' which would have no press whatsoever there are also fabric roll out keyboards, just FYI

rhythmsickness · Post by **rhythmsickness** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:14 am

http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/projecto ... index.html

and

http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/bendi-li ... index.html

rektek · Post by **rektek** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:32 am

rhythmsickness wrote:
yeah, but there are flatter style keyboards out there, maplin (amongst others have quite a wide selection) there is a IR light keyboard, that you can put onto any flat surface, that is sold by 'I want one of those' which would have no press whatsoever there are also fabric roll out keyboards, just FYI

are they the type of buttons which need to be pressed in a very specific centre/location?
if not then maybe it would be worth a shot, although i wonder about the input speed one of those can handle (cause some the fills can be pretty quick - 1/32 at a bpm of around 90 - 100)

and about 'i want one of those' im guess you are referring to this:
http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/bendi-li ... index.html
which seems like its the type i describe above where you need to hit it in a very specific spot and that would hinder performance

but while on that site i found this!
http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/projecto ... index.html

that looks like it might have potential

rektek · Post by **rektek** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:34 am

rhythmsickness wrote:http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/projecto ... index.html

and

http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/bendi-li ... index.html

ha ha, you posted that while i was typing....
we both posted the same two links

Lagrange · Post by **Lagrange** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:38 am

Heres a $5 DYI tap machine.

http://www.medcosm.com/picaxe_beatbox.htm

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rhythmsickness · Post by **rhythmsickness** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:46 am

rektek wrote:

ha ha, you posted that while i was typing....
we both posted the same two links

jinx, its a bit pricy at £150 but its very fancy and has the advantage of letting you use the surface you want to.

good luck getting it to work on a mac though, and there might be bluetooth issues from what I've read

rektek · Post by **rektek** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:51 am

Lagrange wrote:Heres a $5 DYI tap machine.

http://www.medcosm.com/picaxe_beatbox.htm

L

thats interesting actually.
the only problem would be the interfacing with the computer.
if only it came with a usb cable

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i still cant get over the projector keyboard.
it seems like it could have a significant impact on data-input interfacing of all kinds

Spookyrockstar · Post by **Spookyrockstar** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:51 am

I did read your post, but I have a Maudio trigger finger, and when I alter the velocity curve on my DAW, or even hit a button that sets everything to be at full velocity, I can hit pretty soft at 32nd notes at 90 to 130 bpm (I'm also a trap-kit drummer and pianist, so I've got semi-fast hands and fingers) with no prob.

Unless the DIY ideas are also for fun, you might wanna try the M-audio.

Not sure the response on the padkontrol though, but I'm hitting pretty soft and hard on my tests, and it still registers.

Good luck either way.

EDIT: I see in your OP that you want *no* PADS, but if this is because of the problems you described (too hard/too slow), then my post still may be helpful. (Hopefully)

rhythmsickness · Post by **rhythmsickness** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:56 am

theres also the alesis control pad, which has velocty sensitivity, which is the one I am going to go for I think

rektek · Post by **rektek** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:00 am

rhythmsickness wrote:
rektek wrote:

ha ha, you posted that while i was typing....
we both posted the same two links
jinx, its a bit pricy at £150 but its very fancy and has the advantage of letting you use the surface you want to.

good luck getting it to work on a mac though, and there might be bluetooth issues from what I've read

yeah, the flat surface option of the projector board is great.
i wonder how sensitive it is and how accurate you have to be - as in do u have to actually touch the surface? what if you just nick it? or what if you hit the line between two buttons/sections?
i guess the only way would be to try it out....

and im not using mac btw

rhythmsickness · Post by **rhythmsickness** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:10 am

well I'm not sure you could return it on the grounds that it makes a poor drum surface

recording finger tapping as midi