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TotcProductions · Post by **TotcProductions** » Thu May 03, 2007 1:35 am

zircon wrote:Haha, I'm seeming like a real drum elitist here... What can I say though, I like the sound, I write a lot of EDM... the more time I can spend writing and sequencing, the better.

Hey, have you considered including a package of MIDI sequences as well to get people started? Might be useful. One of my favorite drum sample CDs is "Gota Yashiki's Groove Activator". It's a single CD with <50 loops done on a drum machine or sequencer of some kind. VERY cool grooves, TCM samples it a lot. It also has oneshots so you can rebuild them yourself. The combo of the oneshots and the grooves was great and makes it very usable, though it has a host of technical problems, and limited material... probably why it only cost $10 when I got it.

Yup, loops will be included...not in midi form, but buil into the vsti. I could talk to the dev about midi ones as well though.

How many loops would you all think is "sufficient" for a budget library of this sort?

Peace

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Thu May 03, 2007 1:39 am

And is now discontinued, too (the sample CD I mean).

Don't forget, that you also layer your drums extensively in your productions, Andrew. So this also adds a bit to the pot. Not to mention that there's still the possibility to beef up stuff with exciters, compressor and the likes (which you also like to use).

The only thing that I'd like to see in such a pack, is a construction kit, and maybe REX loops for Stylus RMX that I can also mangle with glitch later. What's holding me off of most DnB and BigBeat related CDs though, either the stuff doesn't bite, or it's ton of oldschool stuff that we heard already.

I'd so shell out money for a decent DnB CD with sounds from Pendulum, Technical Itch, Dom&Roland, Orbital. Hell even Corsair (though your loops are fine, dude, I still kinda want some stuff for that tech-step shizzle). I found that Vengeance Club CD material nice, but the thing that pissed be off there was, that it still needs massive mastering (which I'm sure was used in the audio demos) and the FX CD wasn't bpm tagged/sorted or in REX form, not to mention mapped already. It was a pain in the ass to convert the loops or create my own mapping in Kontakt/Halion in terms of FX sweeps.

So the balance is important indeed. and it has to be usable on all major systems IMO. Meaning Battery and LM4 alike, or Halion and Kontakt.

EDIT:
VSTi bound? NYA~! First reason NOT to get this one. I have so many crap installed, I don't even know what to use anymore, not to mention my sorry CPU is barfing like hell already.

TotcProductions · Post by **TotcProductions** » Thu May 03, 2007 3:33 am

Compyfox wrote:EDIT:
VSTi bound? NYA~! First reason NOT to get this one. I have so many crap installed, I don't even know what to use anymore, not to mention my sorry CPU is barfing like hell already.

I think you missed the point Compy...it's not a new vsti...it's a sample addon for a vsti that already exists. So you may very well have the vsti.

Call it a preset addon, with samples, that's all.

Peace

TotcProductions · Post by **TotcProductions** » Thu May 03, 2007 3:38 am

Oh, by the way...here's something I'm toying with....the loop is shit (composition wise) but the production on the drums is nice and tight. This isn't the final product at all, so don't judge it solely by this, just an experimental run.

Also, this one is heavily "vinylized," the sets will have some vinylizing added to them...but they'll be available in non-vinyl form too hopefully.

Download Here

Peace

pw · Post by pw » Thu May 03, 2007 10:23 am

TotcProductions wrote:Oh, by the way...here's something I'm toying with....the loop is shit (composition wise) but the production on the drums is nice and tight. This isn't the final product at all, so don't judge it solely by this, just an experimental run.

Also, this one is heavily "vinylized," the sets will have some vinylizing added to them...but they'll be available in non-vinyl form too hopefully.

Download Here

Peace

The drums do sound nice and tight. I guess they are low pass filtered in an attempt to get a vinyl lo-fi effect (in combo with the vinyl sound) - but listening, there is a clear separation between the drums and the 'vinyl' sound - it doesn't really sound authentic *as a vinyl emulation*. But, it sounds good in its own right. I'd like to hear the drums clean of the low pass and the vinyl sound.

And, I am positive I know what VSTi they are for

phraggle · Post by **phraggle** » Thu May 03, 2007 11:22 am

If each individual sample was treated independently with vinyl noise it'd probably work, but deifinitely sounds "stuck on" at the moment...

TotcProductions · Post by **TotcProductions** » Thu May 03, 2007 1:15 pm

phraggle wrote:If each individual sample was treated independently with vinyl noise it'd probably work, but deifinitely sounds "stuck on" at the moment...

oh yeah, I'm aware of that. Like I said, the vinyl emulation was just slapped on the master bus quickly. I haven't gotten around to processing each sample yet with the lo-fi treatment.

I'll post more later today when I have time to run all the samples through the vinyl treatment. I'll post one without the vinyl too.

Peace

phraggle · Post by **phraggle** » Thu May 03, 2007 1:52 pm

I meant to say, they sound good though!

TotcProductions · Post by **TotcProductions** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:03 pm

Thanx Phraggle!

nibbzious · Post by **nibbzious** » Thu May 03, 2007 8:23 pm

Greetings, Mr. Totc, sir! I believe you mentioned... D&B kits? You've got my ear

zircon wrote:http://www.soundtempest.net/sample4.mp3 (tefnek - good morning)

Basically perfect kick/snare with awesome, tight open hihat.

Oh baby, if you're going to be aiming for a breakbeat sound, Totc, this right here should be your point of reference. That's an amazing beat. It doesn't get any better than that. Nice find, zircon

I'm going to follow mr. zircon's lead and point out the kind of sound I and I figure most other D&B inclined producers would be interested in:

epic_dnb_kits.mp3 - 1.20MB

As to your "demo," that's certainly not a bad sound you're acheiving. No, not bad at all if I do say so myself.

You've got tight, you've got punchy... though might I suggest, a bit of "crunch," maybe? Everybody's a critic.

Anyways, I look forward to hearing the final product. I suspect but you're heading in a much different direction compared to those D&B kits demonstrated, but hey, worth giving a shot, no? I'd kill for some disgustingly beefy kits designed for 170 bpm and up

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Fri May 04, 2007 12:10 am

nibbzious wrote:Oh baby, if you're going to be aiming for a breakbeat sound, Totc, this right here should be your point of reference. That's an amazing beat. It doesn't get any better than that. Nice find, zircon

tefnek and zircon are pals and do tracks together from time to time. You can say that they both learned from each other in a way.

Personally I'd love to have some tunes or beats from zircon myself, I bug him all the time about it, heh.

Anyway... if it's DnB among it, then I'd prefer the sound from Pendulum for sure. Then again, I recently got some infos from a friend of mine to create that "rolling" sound in the BG (aka 3-4 classic loops highpassed, mostly with kicks removed), the rest is just overcompressed kicks and snares from a 909 layered (and for this, Vengeance fits nearly perfect).

Still have to listen to Totc's demo though...

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Fri May 04, 2007 12:28 am

zircon, how about giving them links or snippets to the originals of the songs you posted cause if i'm not mistaken those were all sampled right. totc might find it valuable to know how the originals got that sound.

zircon · Post by **zircon** » Fri May 04, 2007 6:01 am

Sure, I can post the originals, not sure how much help they'll be though...

The first song (by TCM) uses, partially, something from Gota Yashiki Groove Activator. However, it is chopped, processed, and
layered. I know TCM likes bussing their drums through analog outboard gear to achieve their sound. http://www.soundtempest.net/overtheline.mp3

Here's the BT one: www.soundtempest.net/knowledge.mp3

Prodigy; www.soundtempest.net/serialthrilla.mp3

tefnek has an ungodly amount of samples. I can't even fathom how many. He likes eLAB stuff but basically he's a whiz at processing, he uses distortion, overdrive, tube amp, EQ, compression, then uses lots of sends. He'll also layer up to 5x sounds at once (or more) and do a lot of intricate sequencing for fills, so there's really no one approach to that sound... here are some full DL links to his stuff though:

http://www.tefnek.com/music/tefnek_-_good_morning.mp3
http://www.tefnek.com/other/tefnek_-_mixkzsed_up.mp3 <- insane
http://www.tefnek.com/music/tefnek_-_para_bellum.mp3 <- friggin ALBINO on the leads, how does he do it?!

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Fri May 04, 2007 6:24 am

hey zircon I like your story and your mindset about drums it probably wouldn't be a bad
idea if you wrote some tutorials on programming drums and getting drumsounds and put them up on your site.
peace and keep up the good work

Kye · Post by **Kye** » Fri May 04, 2007 10:33 am

u got a rough release date yet?
sounds v promising

"Produced" drum sample sets?