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Casar1973 · Post by **Casar1973** » Wed May 09, 2007 1:45 pm

Hi,

Any comments to this one and its additional plugs? Worth the doe? How do you compare it to UAD-1? I recall TC's native plugs from some years ago, in the infancey of VST plugs, and remember them as being very digital and thin. However, I have TC3000 reverb and that is a great reverb.

Cheers
Rob

sleepless · Post by **sleepless** » Wed May 09, 2007 2:09 pm

Hi

I own both TC and UAD, and they complement each other.

I can't live without TC's reverbs (VSS3, NonLin2 & DVR2) or the MD3.
Their Sonic Restoration bundle is also a great bundle, better to my ears than Waves one (I haven't listen yet to the Wave Arts bundle).
I own Sony's bundle too, and have to say it is considered here like the best sounding EQs & Dynamic by some of the most respected sound designers for movies. And I agree

but all these plugs are optional...

on the other hand, I can't work without UAD vintage EQs & compressors (1176, Neve, Pultec, Helios...), their Plate or the Precision Limiter. The Neve are really astonishing, as the Helios is.
But most of them are also optional...

I think what you have to keep in mind is that both in their basic version are great tools, giving horsepower, with good quality plugs. But you can find same quality in native, cheaper.

When you start to buy optional plugs, here they are essential.
As I have almost all options (and no more money

) I can't imagine working without them.

The other plugs (effects) I really use on a regular basis are Sonalksis comp, Altiverb, PSP's, Ohmforce's, Fabfilter's and some Nomad Factory. And some Logic's plugs, for their defaults

One very useful also is Wave Arts Masterverb : good sound quality, almost no CPU. But far from TC's optional... And maybe better than TC's basic

woodster · Post by **woodster** » Wed May 09, 2007 2:10 pm

Some of the included fx are as you suggest, not that amazing.
BUT as you know the VSS3 (and DVR2 etc) reverbs are amazing, and in my opinion unbeatable by anything else in VST world.
The MD3 and Brickwall Limiter are also lauded as being among the best there is.
I'm going to replace my old Powercore with a new PCI version and will probably get an unplugged card, as I can't get enough of the System 6000 ported effects.
I can't compare them to a UAD as I don't own one of those cards, but I think the UAD might edge the Powercore for Compressors, but I'd be very surprised if the Reverbs came close to the quality of the Powercore optional ones.

REC8 · Post by **REC8** » Wed May 09, 2007 5:39 pm

VSS3 is great! Unbeatable yet. No competitors in VST plugs IMO

SideWalker · Post by **SideWalker** » Wed May 09, 2007 6:54 pm

btw TC users, how much plugins you can run on one card? is there any CPU use page in TC site?

if not, do you think the card will live with this amount of plugins?
2 MegaReverb, 2 ClassicVerb, 6 Vintage CL, 2 24/7•C, 4 Delays, 4 Character, 1 Filtroid and 1 VoiceStrip.

sleepless · Post by **sleepless** » Wed May 09, 2007 7:45 pm

hi

if you're patient (less than one hour)
you will have full answer, with screen captures

SideWalker · Post by **SideWalker** » Wed May 09, 2007 7:55 pm

cool! looking forward!

sleepless · Post by **sleepless** » Wed May 09, 2007 9:01 pm

Hi again !

sorry, more than an hour

here are your answers :
about TC PoCo plugs

it was easier and faster to do it on my blog rather than here on KVR, because of the screen captures and so on. Hope KVR won't mind...
and don't worry, nothing to pay, nothing to download, or any other commercial meanings or purposes here.
just an answer

oh, and I'm not a TC employee or anything like that

and sorry for some english approximations !

SideWalker · Post by **SideWalker** » Wed May 09, 2007 9:41 pm

Thanks alot sleepless, tell me, in the first pic i can see you have 4 cards runing right? so i guass its a BIG "NO" to what i asked... demm those cards are low power and thats sucks. I know this stuation bcus i have 3 UAD cards and i still need more power... I was thinking to get the TC PCI insted of one more UAD card and i think i will!, but to bad TC or UA dont have demos to hear the quality of the plugins...its like buying blind bcuz every person have diff opinion about quality, but i'm not soory i got the UAD i'm more then happy

anyway, thanks alot for great answer, halps alot to get the main pic of how much plugins you can run on the TC cards.

Cheers mate

sleepless · Post by **sleepless** » Wed May 09, 2007 9:46 pm

Hi SideWalker

no, I only have two TC cards, one PCImkII and a FireWire
the 1-2-3-4 reports to the number of DSPs per card

so , your configuration in stereo (a bit unusual) could be on only card if it had 5 DSP.
look at the first picture : the 4 DSP of the PCImkII are busy, and "only" 89% of the first DSP (on four) are busy on the FiWi card.

SideWalker · Post by **SideWalker** » Wed May 09, 2007 10:00 pm

sleepless wrote:Hi SideWalker

no, I only have two TC cards, one PCImkII and a FireWire
the 1-2-3-4 reports to the number of DSPs per card

ahh, ok, this looks like a better deal now + -

you got me, i think i'm going to buy new TC card soon

Thanks for your halp!

sleepless · Post by **sleepless** » Wed May 09, 2007 10:13 pm

you're welcome

but don't forget : the best plugs are optional...

fgimian · Post by **fgimian** » Fri May 11, 2007 12:36 pm

Sorry to be a pain, but is there any possible way you can provide a demo to show how the VSS3 sounds ?

Maybe something with a huge tail.

If you could also provide the dry sample, I'd be very interested to see how different native verbs are.

Of course, only if you have some time.

Thanks
Fots

sleepless · Post by **sleepless** » Fri May 11, 2007 1:14 pm

give me a few minutes

aif 24/48 or mp3 320 ?

fgimian · Post by **fgimian** » Fri May 11, 2007 1:45 pm

You are the best! Thanks!!

TC Powercore