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[Howard]

Anyway, I have found that yes, I have to go parallel and use a lot of the BP RezBand Filter to recreate that air.

Wouldn't EQ be much better for the job, Hans?

Yes, cloning can be fun (especially on Z2). I'm in the middle of the first 11 patches from bank D (one of mine) in the Virus C as a partner for the Littly Phatty clones. Problems I've encountered so far: 1) Z2 can't do monophonic arpeggios 2) Z2 can't emulate the "PosTri" FM mode except by using XMF as carrier. BTW: Already cloned: that famous "On the Run" Synthi AKS sequence on Dark Side of the Moon

[wonshu]

So I have to keep promising new patches from now on... hmmm

[pdxindy]

So I have to keep promising new patches from now on... hmmm

as long as you want to keep living... yes

[Sascha Franck]

1) Z2 can't do monophonic arpeggios

As you may know, I'm not exactly a synth expert, but would you care to explain what a "monophonic arpeggio" is? I mean, there's the little dropdowns to make Z2s arpeggiator polyphonic, so I always assumed the default setting of "1" was monophonic, but apparently you're talking about something else...

Thanks.

[beej]

Yeah, I wasn't sure what Howard meant either. Perhaps single note sequences that stay on one note rather than arpeggiate? (which you can do with the MSEG's or custom LFO's).

Or something else?

[Howard]

...would you care to explain what a "monophonic arpeggio" is?

One voice only. Turn up Env1 Release to hear that Z2 arps are always polyphonic.

[Sascha Franck]

Perhaps single note sequences that stay on one note rather than arpeggiate? (which you can do with the MSEG's or custom LFO's).

But you can do those with the arpeggiator as well when you set "Oct" to "0" (or transpose every other step by an octave, which would be quite some more work).

Or something else?

I think so...

[Howard]

So I have to keep promising new patches from now on... hmmm

Keep those Virus clones coming, Hans!
BTW: Do you know EXACTLY what Filter Balance does in the Virus serial modes? I understood it a few years ago, but not anymore.

[beej]

...would you care to explain what a "monophonic arpeggio" is?

One voice only. Turn up Env1 Release to hear that Z2 arps are always polyphonic.

Ah I see. And you can't set the patch to mono or legato modes because it's the same switch that switches it to arpeggiator mode...

[Sascha Franck]

One voice only. Turn up Env1 Release to hear that Z2 arps are always polyphonic.

Hm, I see - but well, do you really think it's an arpeggiator polyphony issue? I mean, when you play a chord (with env release up), the chord notes won't play simultaneously - they're perfectly limited by the arpeggiators settings. This, at least for me, qualitfies fine for a monophonic arpeggio.
What doesn't happen is the notes being cut off once the next arp step is reached - but isn't that just normal in case you raise the env release? I mean, if you play, say, two notes, the arpeggiator alternates between them just fine, only that they're released according to the env settings - which (IMO obviously) could exceed the length of the arp steps.
Anyways, are other synths handling these things differently? And if so: How? I mean, I couldn't really imagine this to work any different. Ok, you *may* want to cut a note off as soon as the next arp step is playing, but that's what the arpeggiator is usually doing anyways.

I could really only imagine two situations when a different behaviour could become handy: You want some notes to ring out once the keys are released, but you don't want them to ring out as long as the arpeggiator is playing.
Or, you want some longer arp steps which aren't all of the same length and want to have the notes ring out smoothly between those steps.
I think that both these scenarios could probably be covered by using the arp modulation...

Alternatively, I may still not get the effect you're after. Not unlikely, as I have to admit.

[Sascha Franck]

Ah I see. And you can't set the patch to mono or legato modes because it's the same switch that switches it to arpeggiator mode...

What would be the reason for being able to do so? Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'm really curious.

[Howard]

One voice only. Turn up Env1 Release to hear that Z2 arps are always polyphonic.

Hm, I see - but well, do you really think it's an arpeggiator polyphony issue?

Absolutely. One of those things you just have to try to realize it can make quite a difference.

Sorry I can't reply more fully to your post right now... it was my birthday yesterday

[Sascha Franck]

Absolutely. One of those things you just have to try to realize it can make quite a difference.

Well, I still don't grasp the difference, but for now, I'll just trust your word on the matter. I may annoy you again sometime later...

Sorry I can't reply more fully to your post right now... it was my birthday yesterday

Oh! Cheers then! And happy recovering

[beej]

Ah I see. And you can't set the patch to mono or legato modes because it's the same switch that switches it to arpeggiator mode...

What would be the reason for being able to do so? Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'm really curious.

Because you can choose the following options from one setting:
- Polyphonic
- Mono Retrigger
- Mono Legato
- Arpeggiator

As the arpeggiator runs with notes acting as in poly mode, you can't have one of the mono modes and still use the arpeggiator.

Either you'd need to separate the arpeggiator switch from the voice modes (so you can choose for instance, mono legato mode, and turn the arpeggiator on), or maybe instead have the options like this:

- Polyphonic
- Mono Retrigger
- Mono Legato
- Arp (Polyphonic)
- Arp (Mono Retrigger)
- Arp (Mono Legato)

[Sascha Franck]

Hm, thanks beej, I'm gonna think about the implementations of that for a while. So far, I still don't see what would be possible with any of those options added. Care to come up with an (easy) example?
And really, I'm just asking because I don't know about the possible drawbacks.