Integer is King? - the challenge

[whyterabbyt]

You're beginning to make even less sense.

I know. I should stop rephrasing your argument.

[Shy]

Again a wrong analogy. Red is a color and it's hardly subjective.

Oh dear god.

So when is red not red but purple instead?

OK, your senselessness is starting to bore me and I prefer to sleep. Good night.

[pj geerlings]

Right about now is a good time for an fxPointAudio ad:

fxPointAudio

it's fixed point you know

sometimes I am just as retarded as the next guy ...

[whyterabbyt]

Right about now is a good time for an fxPointAudio ad:

fxPointAudio

it's fixed point you know

sometimes I am just as retarded as the next guy ...

stop changing yer bloody company name

[pj geerlings]

Right about now is a good time for an fxPointAudio ad:

fxPointAudio

it's fixed point you know

sometimes I am just as retarded as the next guy ...

stop changing yer bloody company name

I swear - this is the last time!!

Nobody really "got" EmptySquare (though I still answer email to that address)
NuBi3 was too restrictive
fxPointAudio is "just right"

peace,
pj

[whyterabbyt]

OK, your senselessness is starting to bore me and I prefer to sleep. Good night.

"Yamaha designed their aliasing to be 'smart', but I cant prove it because 'smart' is subjective, so it must be true. 'Red', however is not subjective. There is only one shade of red and no-one would ever get that shade confused with any other reddish shade of any other colour".

Jesus.

[jens]

sometimes I am just as retarded as the next guy ...

[whyterabbyt]

I swear - this is the last time!!

Nobody really "got" EmptySquare (though I still answer email to that address)
NuBi3 was too restrictive
fxPointAudio is "just right"

which one aliases smartestly?

[pj geerlings]

I swear - this is the last time!!

Nobody really "got" EmptySquare (though I still answer email to that address)
NuBi3 was too restrictive
fxPointAudio is "just right"

which one aliases smartestly?

Have you noticed that something that is said to be "red hot" is really orange?

That is really starting to bug me for some reason...

[nollock]

nollock: if I consider aliasing that sounds good smart, I say it's smart.

Yes and im saying you dont know what aliasing is, and how it comes about, specificly in regards to FM synthesis.

You are pontificating about things you do not understand.

I'd consider synths with intentional aliasing that sounds bad, synths that have unintelligent aliasing. It's that simple. I don't think there's anything "wrong" with my definitions,

There's so much wrong with your definitions. Firstly in all but a few quirky homebrew VSTi aliasing is never intentional. It is somthing developers try to reduce, minimize, get rid off.

To sugest aliasing was intentional in the yamaha FM synths is plain wrong, it was just an artifact of the algorythms. Like pixelation in early computer graphics. It wasn't there by design, but because the processing power was not enough to reduce it.

The only practical thing (apart from oversampling) that can be done to reduce aliasing in FM is keyscaling the modulation index. Which is what Yamaha did. But that is not somthing specific to yamaha implementations.

but people who like mocking others and mixing objectiveness with subjectiveness, and are maybe a little too tight assed, apparently do.

People are mocking you because you are saying things that are simply not true, your use of terms is wrong, you simply dont know what you are talking about.

Now it may simply be that you have you terms mixed up or cant explain yourself very well but non the less what you have written in this thread is mostly jibberish.

And you at some point have to realize that most of the people mocking you know a lot more about it than you do.

HTH

[Christian Budde]

While X and Y for me are both what I'm used from floating point. They both loose bass. Y is a little worse in the high freq distortion department. It gets "foggy" if you tweak to extreme. The sound gets sourrounded by some "clowd" that gets really hot on my ears.
X is somthing in between ( not integer though), it also gets clowdy, but has a little better high end.

To me Z is of much higher quality.

Hmm, interesting. Very interesting! Extremely interesting! I can't wait to unveil the result now...

and Urs: your abstract about that aliasing was fabulous!

[pj geerlings]

While X and Y for me are both what I'm used from floating point. They both loose bass. Y is a little worse in the high freq distortion department. It gets "foggy" if you tweak to extreme. The sound gets sourrounded by some "clowd" that gets really hot on my ears.
X is somthing in between ( not integer though), it also gets clowdy, but has a little better high end.

To me Z is of much higher quality.

Hmm, interesting. Very interesting! Extremely interesting! I can't wait to unveil the result now...

and Urs: your abstract about that aliasing was fabulous!

So - what are you waiting for ???
This thread is not going to heal itself

[Christian Budde]

So - what are you waiting for ???
This thread is not going to heal itself

I'm not sure, but maybe there is anyone who still likes to try it out for itself. What I can say at the moment is, that 'thorkz' payed a much intention to it.
Unfortunately it still won't heal the thread. But the result _IS_ interesting. At least for me. It might be irrelevant for FM synthesis, but it's interesting in case of an EQ.

However if anyone likes to get the password to see the results, just contact(*) me.

Christian

PS: (*) Just installed Skype today. I really don't like it because it is proprietary. However there was still some space on the windows partition of my new macbook. It is already draggled by windows itself, so it doesn't hurt that much.

[Kingston]

so this would mark the first post on KVR on D/ uh... report from the other side. things are well. everything is fine.

I oughta smile for the picture

[living sounds]

Maybe the test plugin is not working properly with my host, but I hear zero difference. Plus phase inverted tests always reveal differences so low they're irrelevant.