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)Run, Captain, but also dance!
Integer is King? - the challenge
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AdmiralQuality AdmiralQuality https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=83902
- Banned
- 6657 posts since 10 Oct, 2005 from Toronto, Canada
Done entirely with floats, and LOTS of them!
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Run, Captain, but also dance!
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)Run, Captain, but also dance!
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- KVRian
- 1153 posts since 10 Dec, 2003
From the original "Integer is King" thread..aciddose wrote:"his algorythms are faster and better than everyone elses"
i never said that,
So what exactly did you mean by that if not that your algorythms and performance are better than anything that can be done in float?aciddose wrote: here, if you'd like to have some real examples of this. find me a floating point synthesizer which can match the performance of the filter here...with equal or better cpu performance.
Again from the original "Integer is king" thread.i also never posted any mp3 generated by my code in these threads.
That is an mp3 of your synth is it not?aciddose wrote:http://xhip.cjb.net/temp/public/no4.mp3
Maybe the ganja is messing with your memory ???
You do... why is that?? *smirk*i find it interesting that YOU said this, however.
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
http://xhip.cjb.net/temp/public/no4.mp3
this is my analog modular
"find me a floating point synthesizer which can match the performance of the filter here...with equal or better cpu performance."
by this i never implied that mine was inherently better, i was trying to show an example of something where there is a genuine difference between using float and int.
personally, i do think my code is better - than a float implementation of the same thing. i use a multimode filter in xhip with some minor modifications. the math behind the compensation and modifications doesnt work out the same way in float (you can do it but it requires a lot of messing with the exponent and other stuff, i used the naive methods when testing) and on top of that the float versions are unstable for some reason i think is related to the different rounding behaviour.
if you wanted to implement a different type of filter though, like maybe a biquad which is the usual method, int might not give any advantages. although that depends upon the particular circumstance as well. the point is that there is a difference between float and int. sometimes float can be better, sometimes int can be better. my opinion is that by average int wins out (it is better more often) compared to float, but that depends upon what you draw your average from. if you never do any of the things int is good at, then obviously you'll have a different opinion.
"You do... why is that?? *smirk*"
oh that should be clear. i can take it out of context and use it as my signature! however - i'm too lazy.
this is my analog modular
"find me a floating point synthesizer which can match the performance of the filter here...with equal or better cpu performance."
by this i never implied that mine was inherently better, i was trying to show an example of something where there is a genuine difference between using float and int.
personally, i do think my code is better - than a float implementation of the same thing. i use a multimode filter in xhip with some minor modifications. the math behind the compensation and modifications doesnt work out the same way in float (you can do it but it requires a lot of messing with the exponent and other stuff, i used the naive methods when testing) and on top of that the float versions are unstable for some reason i think is related to the different rounding behaviour.
if you wanted to implement a different type of filter though, like maybe a biquad which is the usual method, int might not give any advantages. although that depends upon the particular circumstance as well. the point is that there is a difference between float and int. sometimes float can be better, sometimes int can be better. my opinion is that by average int wins out (it is better more often) compared to float, but that depends upon what you draw your average from. if you never do any of the things int is good at, then obviously you'll have a different opinion.
"You do... why is that?? *smirk*"
oh that should be clear. i can take it out of context and use it as my signature! however - i'm too lazy.
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- KVRian
- 1153 posts since 10 Dec, 2003
Ok fair enough.
I do respect your programing ability and knowledge even if i dont always agree with you.
Anyway your gonna say that wasnt it at all and now ive made a complete arse of myself.
Oh well, i'm having a f**king weird weekend. I kid you not, a bat flew down my chimney last night and spent 10 minutes circling the room.
http://www.flak.clara.co.uk/P2200054.JPG
Luckily it decided to hide in the lampshade (an uplighter) and i managed to cover it and take it outside. It's actualy only about 2 1/2 inches long, but much larger when its flying.
You think I have it in for you?? I know we've had a few couple of clashes over the years but it's never been personal, only theological.oh that should be clear. i can take it out of context and use it as my signature! however - i'm too lazy. HiHi
I do respect your programing ability and knowledge even if i dont always agree with you.
Anyway your gonna say that wasnt it at all and now ive made a complete arse of myself.
Oh well, i'm having a f**king weird weekend. I kid you not, a bat flew down my chimney last night and spent 10 minutes circling the room.
http://www.flak.clara.co.uk/P2200054.JPG
Luckily it decided to hide in the lampshade (an uplighter) and i managed to cover it and take it outside. It's actualy only about 2 1/2 inches long, but much larger when its flying.
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
what? seems like an awful waste of a perfectly good snack item to me, but to each his own i suppose
"You think I have it in for you?"
i was meaning it as a joke, i meant i could twist it to look like a nollock endorsement
the "integer is king" business is really rediculous in my opinion. all the guys with their heads on straight have already discussed it to death and already all (mostly) completely agree on every point. i'm not sure if this guy is trolling or not. i think the thread (and if he is trolling, his desire to do so) came from the kind of answers he gets. there are people who will deny that int can ever be better than float, or that there even can be any difference at all. so long as those people are still around, you'll get crazy people like op trolling for them.
"You think I have it in for you?"
i was meaning it as a joke, i meant i could twist it to look like a nollock endorsement
the "integer is king" business is really rediculous in my opinion. all the guys with their heads on straight have already discussed it to death and already all (mostly) completely agree on every point. i'm not sure if this guy is trolling or not. i think the thread (and if he is trolling, his desire to do so) came from the kind of answers he gets. there are people who will deny that int can ever be better than float, or that there even can be any difference at all. so long as those people are still around, you'll get crazy people like op trolling for them.
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- KVRian
- 1153 posts since 10 Dec, 2003
Ahh ok.. cant see why an endorsement from me would be any use tho.. unless you're selling some kind of software that stops people posting utter jibberish all night.aciddose wrote:what? seems like an awful waste of a perfectly good snack item to me, but to each his own i suppose
"You think I have it in for you?"
i was meaning it as a joke, i meant i could twist it to look like a nollock endorsement
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
"cant see why an endorsement from me would be any use tho.."
well this is kind of the joke
you'd be like my random celebrity guy. everybody would just assume "if nollock says it's good, it must be!" and "who the hell is nollock anyway? well he must be some kind of famous expert if he's making endorsements!".
...sadly i wouldnt be surprised if that kind of a scheme would actually work.
well this is kind of the joke
you'd be like my random celebrity guy. everybody would just assume "if nollock says it's good, it must be!" and "who the hell is nollock anyway? well he must be some kind of famous expert if he's making endorsements!".
...sadly i wouldnt be surprised if that kind of a scheme would actually work.
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- KVRian
- 1153 posts since 10 Dec, 2003
Just make up something like I was stevie wonders chaufuer for a while... or I was a roadie for Linkin Park.. or the 2nd cousin to Bob Dylans guitar tech.aciddose wrote: ...sadly i wouldnt be surprised if that kind of a scheme would actually work.
Seems to be the standard fare with endorsments these days.