KVR Audio

Vibro Larynx · Post by **Vibro Larynx** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:47 pm

The sample modification features aren't the big ones (compared to e.g. Kontakt). Just 1 filter type, etc. Don't want to moan here - it's the Sample Player. Anybody knows, if there is a big brother of the lord (

) planned?

*edit*: I think it's also worth awaiting the VemberAudio ShortCircuit 2, coming up (soon?).

fandango · Post by **fandango** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:34 pm

Just doing a CPU check in REAPER using identical MIDI passages.

1. Kontakt Harpsichord played in Samplelord :- 1.3% CPU on average
2. Kontakt Harpsichord played in K2 :- 3.2% CPU on average

Both sound identical to my golden ears. Samplelord for teh win!!1

(Could someone with K2 please try loading the Surround Cathedral Organ in Samplelord and tell me if they can only play one note at a time? Can't seem to find a polyphony limitation in Samplelord that would cause the problem.)

EDIT -

DEMO LIMITATION - Maximum polyphony 16-32 voices.

Sam@Megablastic · Post by **Sam@Megablastic** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:16 pm

Ok it might have lower cpu, but what is the playback quality like? I would definatly sacrifice cpu for high quality sample interpolation. Samples sound awful when they alias.

Saying that, the maker of this product is a very talented developer. He also listens to his customers, I've asked for a couple of things to be implemented and he did them by the next update

I think low cpu is fine as long as there is a high quality option for export.

fandango · Post by **fandango** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:27 pm

That's a good point, in fact. I should've checked quality settings in both plugin instances. One might be set to high quality mode etc.

bluepride · Post by **bluepride** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:28 pm

Sam@Megablastic wrote:Ok it might have lower cpu, but what is the playback quality like? I would definatly sacrifice cpu for high quality sample interpolation. Samples sound awful when they alias.

Saying that, the maker of this product is a very talented developer. He also listens to his customers, I've asked for a couple of things to be implemented and he did them by the next update

I think low cpu is fine as long as there is a high quality option for export.

"Awful" is in the eye of the beholder. You can create a lot of really great sounds using the aliasing that comes from lower-quality pitch transposition. Many sounds created using this technique are beautiful, edgy, and unique.

"More" is not always more. "Better" is sometimes worse. The best solution is to have high, low, and piss-poor pitch transposition settings. Then you can create what you need. Super-accurate-ultra-clean-all-the-time is a bummer. I get rid of samplers that turn out to be like that, because they're useless.

fandango · Post by **fandango** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:12 pm

Even in high quality playback mode, the Samplelord is about half the CPU usage of K2 here. To be fair, given all the extras in K2 the extra overhead doesn't really suprise me. However, it would be nice to have a highly optimised playback sampler for occasions when you don't need all the extra stuff in Kontakt.

It's having a good long think about loading some of Kontakt's larger instruments into RAM, like the grand piano.

However, even at 0 milliseconds latency, the stream from disk feature seems to work nicely.

Hmn, gonna have to have a think about this one.

Sam@Megablastic · Post by **Sam@Megablastic** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:58 pm

bluepride wrote:
Sam@Megablastic wrote:Ok it might have lower cpu, but what is the playback quality like? I would definatly sacrifice cpu for high quality sample interpolation. Samples sound awful when they alias.

Saying that, the maker of this product is a very talented developer. He also listens to his customers, I've asked for a couple of things to be implemented and he did them by the next update

I think low cpu is fine as long as there is a high quality option for export.
"Awful" is in the eye of the beholder. You can create a lot of really great sounds using the aliasing that comes from lower-quality pitch transposition. Many sounds created using this technique are beautiful, edgy, and unique.

"More" is not always more. "Better" is sometimes worse. The best solution is to have high, low, and piss-poor pitch transposition settings. Then you can create what you need. Super-accurate-ultra-clean-all-the-time is a bummer. I get rid of samplers that turn out to be like that, because they're useless.

Yes but isn't it better to have the option. If I want grainy samples then I'll use a low quaility setting, if I want what I put in to come out better preserved I'll use the high setting.

I've got an Akai S950 for my grungy stuff, but Kontakt I use for my playing back of high quality samples. If I want them grungy I'll resample them into the S950 then back into Kontakt

P.T. · Post by **P.T.** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 3:09 am

Does this have a stretch engine for running samples outside of their normal range without sounding like "chipmunks and bears"?

MaliceX · Post by **MaliceX** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:39 am

No. It's just plain resampling, however it does support multisampling ranges.

Which reminds me, they have yet to get back at me with the sound problem, as well as something else for ESC and DLS converting. (LSB/MSB bank issues)

New ESC Sampler VSTi announced!