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rubykon · Post by **rubykon** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:42 am

Hi,

I'm a proud Zebra owner now for a few days. I must say, I am impressed.
Now I'd like to move some of my patches from other plugins to zebra, as cpu load is always a problem and zebra is one the better plugins!

I bought myself a nifty little book to help me, but as I am a beginner I could use some help for the start.

It's about rebuilding the sounds as close to the original as possible, so they still fit into the song context.

And as an addition using those pretty XY controls for live play would by marvelous.

I'd be glad if somehow could help me a little into the first steps...

Cheers, Andrej

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Hallo,

seit ein paar Tagen bin ich stolzer Zebra Besitzer. Ich muß sagen, ich bin begeistert.
Jetzt würde ich gerne einige Patches von anderen Plugins übertragen, da die CPU Last bei so manch anderem Softsynth doch wesentlich höher ist (NI, da sage ich wohl nix neues).

Ich habe mir schon ein Büchlein zum Thema Sounddesign besorgt, wäre aber dankbar, wenn mir jemand bei den ersten Schritten ein bischen helfen könnte.

Es geht halt darum, die Sounds möglichst original nachzubilden da sie ja im Kontext gut funktionieren.

Außerdem möchte ich natürlich fürs Livespiel die g@ilen XY-Controller nutzen können, aber das ist dann die Disziplin für Fortgeschrittene.

Würde mich freuen...

Grüße, Andrej

wonshu · Post by **wonshu** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:18 am

There's the online manual which explains Zebra2's functions:

http://www.u-he.com/zebra/manual/

As far as soundesign goes: it's really trial and error and you just have to start fiddling with the controls. Also, try to load a really simple patch (1 OSC 1 filter) that you like and analyze what's going on.

rubykon · Post by **rubykon** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:31 am

I've started reading into it. It's helpful. The Problem is, for me, where to start.
It's like "I have this bass sound from Photon, I use a lot, how can i rebuild it?"

I guess it's a sawtooth based sound, so I start from there...

You can hear it in the example on http://www.myspace.com/rubykon

Legato mode on and then there is this Filter effect in the attack of the sound.
And how can I get a bass this fat out of the simple sawtooth?

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:38 am

First of all i'd recreate the structure of the synth i was emulating on the Z2.After that the parameter mapping should be fairly straightforward. Just tune them by ear. As for fat sawtooths,just set the oscillators to dual or quad instead of single.
Instant obese.

EDIT: Is this the Photon you're refering to? That one looks kinda hard to recreate on Z2. Something straight forward like a Nord Lead should be fairly simple to recreate for example. Not sure how to do the PWM though.

rubykon · Post by **rubykon** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:53 am

A thanks. Fat was the wrong word...deep should fit better.

No this is not what I meant. I am talking of the Photon Instrument for NIs Reaktor 5 or from NIs EIXT2 Collection.

Ok. I'll try...

wonshu · Post by **wonshu** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:05 am

Which preset? I can try for you.

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:17 am

So this then ?
Some patches are probably quite straightforward to emulate with Z2 depending on how much routing is used.
But doing a complete emulation could be quite some work as some concepts like serial/paralell filter routing for example are a bit harder to implement in Z2.Probably the easiest way is to have 2 configurations.One for serial and one for paralell. I'm actually experimenting with this exact problem for the moment. The most efficient way to do this in Z2.

I'm leaning towards 2 different Z2 setups but if someone has a better idea i'm all ears.

rubykon · Post by **rubykon** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:50 am

Oh boys you are great!

Yepp it's this Synthie I am trying to move some presets from.

There's others, but this is my favorite one.

That Bass Preset is the BASS/SYN LM: Juicy 1

Other ones I want to move are PAD: Sand ( MW!)1 and SYN PP: Report the Weather 4

I hope to learn from this "migration" how to recreate sounds from hearing and basic knowledge of the originals parameters.

I have understood, that, to be original you have to at least tweak the presets, if not create your own.

Days were easier, when I was just a rockbands bassist!

wonshu · Post by **wonshu** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:22 am

The bass (not 100% but that gives you a starting point!)

http://www.hanshafner.de/quickupload/BA ... uicy_1.zip

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rubykon · Post by **rubykon** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:30 am

Wow...that's fast!

But the link seems broken...

wonshu · Post by **wonshu** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:37 am

fixed

rubykon · Post by **rubykon** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:57 am

Thats similar. Good one for a first. Now I need to tweak it darker...much darker...

wonshu · Post by **wonshu** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:02 am

try playing softer

rubykon · Post by **rubykon** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:08 am

O.k. so good so far, I did a little EQ tweaking and i am almost there.
The Filter Skweek at the start is too wet i guess. In the original it sounds...erm...different.

More woody? In German we would say knochig/bony.
How do I do this?

codef0x · Post by **codef0x** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:29 pm

Maybe this is closer?
http://www.codef0x.org/h1d3/BASS_SYNTH_Juicy_1-cfx.h2p

Changes from above patch:
OSC1 FX: Filter
Removed Master ModFX Chorus
Add Master Reverb
Lowered XMF Cutoff
Voices changed from Medium to Few
Play mode from Polyphonic to Retrigger

Edit: If the reverb tail is too loud you can reduce it by modifying Diffusor D-Feedback.

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