KVR Audio

Killvehicle · Post by **Killvehicle** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:49 pm

Sickle wrote:
Killvehicle wrote:Ok man I did a quick search at the production forums
Where's you find the production forums at, btw?

You don't mean the ones here, do you? I thought EMU had a forum they routinely banned everyone from for any and all kinds of shit, but I couldn't find it..

I guess asking this question would have gotten me banned as well..

haha Yeah maybe thats why this is the UNofficial EMU forum.. it has actual EMU guys there though.. Some good tips and some knowledgable people.

http://www.productionforums.com/viewfor ... 8bbcd3d363

Killvehicle · Post by **Killvehicle** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:52 pm

also a good read on the Patchmix as done by SOund on Sound.. IT has some good tips..
They made it available online..

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov05/a ... tchmix.htm

Killvehicle · Post by **Killvehicle** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:02 pm

Apparently its all about setting up Sends/returns. THis isnt how I did it, but it makes perfect sense.. THis is also something I wanted to have a better grasp on how to do.. Since I have a decent array of compressors that I like to work with.. I'll give the Send/return setup a go this afternoon..

Sickle · Post by **Sickle** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:08 pm

Haven't had a chance today as I have family over, but yeah, it's basically a send/return thing. If you get one set up that works, save your session file so I can steal it from ya.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:25 pm

I am using few reverbs and two external synths. Everything just fine. What host you are using? What you can not record ???

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 6:06 pm

bit late in the day, but could use either of the following methods:

Method A

1a) create a new mixer strip - physical source (eg Dock In 2L/2R)

1b) create a 'send' in that mixer strip to an ASIO input (eg SEND ASIO IN 5/6)

2a) create a new mixer strip - host source - ASIO (eg ASIO OUT 5/6)

2b) create a 'send' in that mixer strip to a real output (eg SEND Out2 - DOCK)

result : if you have an effects processor with its input connected to the DOCK 2 output pair and its output connected to the DOCK 2 input pair, then sending to ASIO OUT 5/6 and receiving via ASIO IN 5/6 will feed through the outboard processor.

Method B

1a) create a new mixer strip - host source - ASIO (eg ASIO OUT 7/8)

1b) create a 'send/return' in that mixer strip to inputs and outputs (eg send output : DOCK OUT 3L/3R, receive input : DOCK IN 3L/3R)

1c) create a 'send' in that mixer strip to an ASIO input (eg SEND ASIO IN 7/8)

result : if you have an effects processor with its input connected to the DOCK 3 output pair and its output connected to the DOCK 3 input pair, then sending to ASIO OUT 7/8 and receiving via ASIO IN 7/8 will feed through the outboard processor.

Jay T · Post by **Jay T** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:03 pm

Since i had that problem: Check if you get clipped or overdriven signals (without any clipping meter in cubase or patchmix). Maybe you have to limit your output to -6dbfs /-20dBfs (that solved the problem for me).

Just a hint. EMU's driver or hardware does sometimes funny things. Everythig is solveable but it can make you crazy. *grin.

Patchmix is really complicate but great if you get used to it. I now have a routing where other sound-devices would explode *g.

greets. JayT.

Sickle · Post by **Sickle** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:49 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:bit late in the day, but could use either of the following methods:

Method A

1a) create a new mixer strip - physical source (eg Dock In 2L/2R)

1b) create a 'send' in that mixer strip to an ASIO input (eg SEND ASIO IN 5/6)

2a) create a new mixer strip - host source - ASIO (eg ASIO OUT 5/6)

2b) create a 'send' in that mixer strip to a real output (eg SEND Out2 - DOCK)

result : if you have an effects processor with its input connected to the DOCK 2 output pair and its output connected to the DOCK 2 input pair, then sending to ASIO OUT 5/6 and receiving via ASIO IN 5/6 will feed through the outboard processor.

Method B

1a) create a new mixer strip - host source - ASIO (eg ASIO OUT 7/8)

1b) create a 'send/return' in that mixer strip to inputs and outputs (eg send output : DOCK OUT 3L/3R, receive input : DOCK IN 3L/3R)

1c) create a 'send' in that mixer strip to an ASIO input (eg SEND ASIO IN 7/8)

result : if you have an effects processor with its input connected to the DOCK 3 output pair and its output connected to the DOCK 3 input pair, then sending to ASIO OUT 7/8 and receiving via ASIO IN 7/8 will feed through the outboard processor.

Thanks for the detailed walkthrough, Sean.

One question:

What happens if say, one of these external devices I want to use only has a single input, like say, my GL-100? It has l/r returns, but only one input for sends. Is this set-up accomodating for a mono signal? Hell, all the pedals are single inputs..Does the 1820m's left channels serve as mono like most hardware units do?

I seriously don't want to call those jerk-offs at EMU..

Sickle · Post by **Sickle** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:02 pm

Ok, I got this sorted, and here's how it was done:

In your default session, you have an asio 31/32 out. Leave that alone, and make a new asio strip, in my case, Asio 1&2. You toss in your peak meter if you want, then beneath it, insert a send/return, in my case I selected send 1&2, and return 3&4. BENEATH this, you insert a send to ASIO host, in this case, it was 5&6. This is done to leave Asio ins 1-4 intact for guitar inputs, or whatever.

In your host, you'll send your source audio to the extrenal gear via asio 1&2, then send the whole shebang out 31/32(or in my case, simply record in the incoming stream.

I'll post my saved patchmix file.

Also, there's beta drivers for Patchmix in case anyone was curious. Among vista compatibility, these new drivers allow setting up mono strips, eliminating my stereo/mono problem, which isn't really affecting things anyways.

brb.

Sickle · Post by **Sickle** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:41 pm

Here's my patchmix file:

External effects loop.session

I can post an eXT file later for anyone who's curious to see how I routed this.

Sickle · Post by **Sickle** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:23 am

btw, anyone wanting the new 2.0 beta drivers can grab em here:

http://connect.creativelabs.com/emu/default.aspx

I've been told they were stable, but as always with betas, use at your own risk!

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:45 am

Sickle wrote: One question:

What happens if say, one of these external devices I want to use only has a single input, like say, my GL-100? It has l/r returns, but only one input for sends. Is this set-up accomodating for a mono signal? Hell, all the pedals are single inputs..Does the 1820m's left channels serve as mono like most hardware units do?

I seriously don't want to call those jerk-offs at EMU..

dunno, but sounds like you figgered it out. i would probably have tried panning the mixer output strip hard left.

must take a look at the beta drivers, ta for mentioning them.

fatjack · Post by **fatjack** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:54 am

the new drivers are good/stable.. they re good
we even got 2 new compressors and a gate!!
and give a look to the skins at productionforums.com, that the patchmix now as allows the user to switch skins without "rebooting"!

fatjack · Post by **fatjack** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:10 am

Sickle wrote:Ok, I've been meaning to tackle this like for forever, but I haven't the foggiest idea how to implement the work flow.

I have an 1818m Sound card with the break-out box, etc.

What I want to do is be able to send to one of the 1212m's outputs to my external effects and pre-amp , then route the effected signal back into the sound card without getting a feedback loop, so I can record the hardware modified signal..

The E-Mu mixer is a well-made, but it's something I've never been able to get proficient at using , so any feedback would be awesome, or even better, if someone can make me a damn session file for the mixer, I'll tattoo your ass for scott-free, no questions asked.

i'm skipping most of the posts so i may be missing something

.new channel strip in patch mix, host source, lets say asio 1/2
.assign hosts track you want to foward to extEffect, to new asio output 1/2
.in the patchmix new channel you just created, insert send output to physical Out
if everythig is well connected your external effect is already receiving the signal
.new channel strip in patch mix, physical source, i/o card in L and R
.insert send output to AsioWave to send the sound with effect back to the host
you may want to mute in the patchmix, the channel you're sending to the external output

Sickle · Post by **Sickle** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:25 pm

fatjack wrote:
Sickle wrote:i'm skipping most of the posts so i may be missing something

.new channel strip in patch mix, host source, lets say asio 1/2
.assign hosts track you want to foward to extEffect, to new asio output 1/2
.in the patchmix new channel you just created, insert send output to physical Out
if everythig is well connected your external effect is already receiving the signal
.new channel strip in patch mix, physical source, i/o card in L and R
.insert send output to AsioWave to send the sound with effect back to the host
you may want to mute in the patchmix, the channel you're sending to the external output

I can't even read what you've said here I hate dicking with patchmix so much.

The way I set it up works perfectly for what I need. What you're missing from my arrangement is the modular routing I'm using in eXT that allows me to leave the send/return strip cranked up and controlled by an eXT fader so I don't have to mess with patchmix for any reason while recording.

Question about 1818m I/O routing with external FX