KVR Audio

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:26 am

pschelfh wrote:The original Virus preset tweaked in real-time, reverbed and levelled : me too!

Yep, that's what it sounds like when also tweaking the filters.

And it IMHO sounds better than the original mp3 on Vengeance website. Still not a perfect match to the just-arp-mp3 tho

pschelfh wrote:Great sound designer AND tweaker !

Seconded!

Actually, when stepping through his presets, there are some that indeed emulate the sound of compressed reverbs coming back in (i.e. "12 - AttOnly MS" or "21 - BnasiSaw MS"). This might explain why some examples in his mp3 sound extremely compressed.

Btw... who ripped the just-arp-mp3 from Vengeance?

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:30 am

I hear a phaser kicking in there rather briskly. Is it a phaser as well in the original? Or is it an extra filter doing a little up and down sweep around that sweet spot?

If it is a phaser then the phaser sweep is controlled just like the filter cutoff (and possible through a bus send). I actually used my MS-20FX's high pass filter on a send to add the extra sweep

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:33 am

Sascha Franck wrote:
pschelfh wrote: The original Virus preset tweaked in real-time, reverbed and levelled : I'm beginning to hate this arp!
There always seems to be something about the attack that doesn't match, and personally, I can't see raising the attack to adress the problem at all..

I think, just like in my twin patch, he's only using cutoff and env to get the pluck but a lot of the pluck comes from the noise filter, which seems to be missing here as well or not used quite right. There's too much low freq making it too muddy.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:34 am

Sascha Franck wrote:There always seems to be something about the attack that doesn't match, and personally, I can't see raising the attack to adress the problem at all.

I think there's also a difference between the mp3 on Vengeance site and the short version...

Manuel contacted me and reiterated that no additional processing (except the reverb/delay) was used. He however said he used a brickwall limiter to eleminate clippings and a lowcut at 30 Hz befor the mp3 conversion.

It'd be intersting to see what happens when you rip the mp3 and *then* add a compressor or something.

Maybe it turns out that the magic of the Virus sound can only be achieved by converting to mp3 twice

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:35 am

Urs wrote:
Actually, when stepping through his presets, there are some that indeed emulate the sound of compressed reverbs coming back in (i.e. "12 - AttOnly MS" or "21 - BnasiSaw MS"). This might explain why some examples in his mp3 sound extremely compressed.

hmm.. compressing the reverb.. that could be interesting here.
Or could it be a compressed delay signal?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:36 am

spaceman wrote:I hear a phaser kicking in there rather briskly. Is it a phaser as well in the original? Or is it an extra filter doing a little up and down sweep around that sweet spot?

It's the Virus' built-in phaser. An assignable knob is set up for this below the display

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:40 am

Urs wrote:
spaceman wrote:I hear a phaser kicking in there rather briskly. Is it a phaser as well in the original? Or is it an extra filter doing a little up and down sweep around that sweet spot?
It's the Virus' built-in phaser. An assignable knob is set up for this below the display

ah! that explains.. with tarnce in mind it seems

fgimian · Post by **fgimian** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:45 am

What do you guys make of the bass sounds ? I had posted a clip of them earlier ?

They punch so so so much, can you get this sound from the Virus ? How did he do it !!

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Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:54 am

soundpalace wrote:What do you guys make of the bass sounds ? I had posted a clip of them earlier ?

Oooph... where are they? On the Vengeance website?

fgimian · Post by **fgimian** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:08 pm

Urs wrote:
soundpalace wrote:What do you guys make of the bass sounds ? I had posted a clip of them earlier ?
Oooph... where are they? On the Vengeance website?

Hold up, I'll grab a link, I put together times of my fav sounds from the Vengeance soundsets. This stuff is all from Incubation v2 which is the one the arp is also on.

Edit: see below

The sound demo is here...
http://www.vengeance-storage.com/www.ve ... chleis.mp3

Check out the following times...

0:38 - the main arp everyone is talking about
2:15 - one of the hardest leads I've ever heard, again no chance I could even replicate half the sound on this one
2:34 / 3:10 / 3:21 - the wicked bass sounds These are substantially harder to produce than the arp above, try it! Use as many effects as you want! Very Happy

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spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:27 pm

his Korg Legacy Soundset patches pack a punch as well but knowing the MS-20 and Polisix makes it clear again what a huge amount of FXs are used on those patches

I'm pretty sure now that the 'Virus' sound in the arp is nothing more that a truck load of FXs

1-2-Many · Post by **1-2-Many** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:16 pm

spaceman wrote:his Korg Legacy Soundset patches pack a punch as well but knowing the MS-20 and Polisix makes it clear again what a huge amount of FXs are used on those patches

I'm pretty sure now that the 'Virus' sound in the arp is nothing more that a truck load of FXs

Not unless you're referring to them being drenched in reverb and delay.

Urs wrote:Manuel contacted me and reiterated that no additional processing (except the reverb/delay) was used. He however said he used a brickwall limiter to eleminate clippings and a lowcut at 30 Hz befor the mp3 conversion.

I don't think it's the FX so much as the performance of the presets that set them off in his demos. From our playing around here I've deduced that it's a combination of programming a like preset (with like FX) and 'performing' it the same way as the clip that nails the sound.

The most telling was when a Virus owner posted a clip here of some straight played presets, with no tweaks, modulations, or added fx, not very impressive to say the least. . .

BTW, here's my favorite clip from the V2 demo

http://download471.mediafire.com/rqtar9 ... tVirus.WAV

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:31 pm

@1-2-Many

I meant that the demo of the patches have been recorded using a f**k of a lot of extra FXs on top of the synth.. most likely compression, distortion, etc..

suthnear · Post by **suthnear** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:33 pm

spaceman wrote:I'm pretty sure now that the 'Virus' sound in the arp is nothing more that a truck load of FXs

Nah - it's the sound you've nearly got in the twin clip. It does need effects, though for a final polish. Add unison (3 voices I think someone said) for that metallic chorus-y effect and slight widening of the sound, some delays and a bit of reverb and with the correct tweaks at the correct places, I think it'll be indistinguishable to all but the most discerning listeners.

I think, though, that the interest in this thread has turned from emulating the virus with z2 to emulating the virus with a virus

johnny2johnny · Post by **johnny2johnny** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:41 pm

At the end of the day what is the point of all this? Isnt it a boring world with everything sounding like a Virus?

Isnt it a boring world with everything sounding like a Zebra?

And why on earth would you want to make one sound like the other?

The "Zebra2 plays Virus" challenge