"1. When the CPU overloads, the sound stops and the play button doesn't work."
i have no real knowledge of digital computer music writing. the words in
Luna's help section are easy to follow for someone with an already
considerable ability to understand processes of a tool like this.
take a look at LIVE6's Lessons joined right to the program? they are inviting because you follow screenshots which are so much more welcomed
by a first steps beginner in all this; the 'proofs' that you are doing things
correctly are all right there, there is much more freedom to attempt
things !
i, basically, can't see Luna's counter line starting at all to play the measures
of the 'Bach' 23 measures given here to listen to on first opening of Luna. the play button doesn't
work. so, reading in these forums, a newbie can begin to worry about CPU
OVERLOAD when there's nothing visible as far as other programs being "on", to their understanding, which causes a major mistrust in the newbie. out goes the program.
(going through Forums to try to find answers for a newbie is a disaster area.)
i may have simply not found the tutorial for the totally wide-eyed here.
if there is one about how to set the audio and midi necessities on a Mac
10.3.9 for Luna, that is a "follow these steps" kind of show and tell...
then somebody respond .
i admit that i know next to nothing about it, but i'm also thinking of kids,
who may have something great to get interested in, and who may become
your great fans and/or contributors and/or buyers in the future.
write two sets of tutorials and post them.
thank you jo
Tutorials with Screenshots; Windows and Mac..
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- KVRAF
- 1645 posts since 24 May, 2002
MU.LAB currently is in a beta testing phase.
When MU.LAB 1.0 is really released, some nice tutorials will be included!
When MU.LAB 1.0 is really released, some nice tutorials will be included!
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 34 posts since 5 Nov, 2006
ok. sounds good ..
meanwhile, can you help with the first beta look ?
where do i look to find out what to do with the program not playing the provided "Bach" upon
clicking the PLAY button that doesn't work to make it work ?
MAC POWERBOOK G4 10.3.9
meanwhile, can you help with the first beta look ?
where do i look to find out what to do with the program not playing the provided "Bach" upon
clicking the PLAY button that doesn't work to make it work ?
MAC POWERBOOK G4 10.3.9
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- KVRAF
- 1645 posts since 24 May, 2002
Hey MUDX,
First of all: i fully agree with your positive criticism that LUNA / MU.LAB should get some good tutorials.
As said: that's definitely on the ToDo list; and will be done as soon as the application goes from beta to pre-release. (meaning things are stable, both technically as conceptually).
About the play button not working:
In this case, i think it doesn't have to do with a cpu overload.
I rather think you need to go to the Edit menu (top left) -> Audio Setup and there choose a proper Core Audio output device.
Does this help?
First of all: i fully agree with your positive criticism that LUNA / MU.LAB should get some good tutorials.
As said: that's definitely on the ToDo list; and will be done as soon as the application goes from beta to pre-release. (meaning things are stable, both technically as conceptually).
About the play button not working:
In this case, i think it doesn't have to do with a cpu overload.
I rather think you need to go to the Edit menu (top left) -> Audio Setup and there choose a proper Core Audio output device.
Does this help?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 34 posts since 5 Nov, 2006
i think i may have already done that
because a small window popped up saying
" saved ! "..
then the Audio Setup window popped up
with Core Audio Device
set at "Built-in Audio"
..
and the 'OK' to click.
what do i do next ?
(thanks jo)
i completely agree that it's not
a 'crapping peanuts underfoot' overload.
because a small window popped up saying
" saved ! "..
then the Audio Setup window popped up
with Core Audio Device
set at "Built-in Audio"
..
and the 'OK' to click.
what do i do next ?
(thanks jo)
i completely agree that it's not
a 'crapping peanuts underfoot' overload.
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- KVRist
- 251 posts since 3 May, 2003
When the audio setup window opens you actually have to click on the core audio device window to select it and then click OK. I found this confusing at first - Jo, perhaps this needs to be looked at because the core audio text looks as though it has already been selected when the window is first opened.
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- KVRAF
- 1645 posts since 24 May, 2002
You need to select a Core Audio OUT device, not an INPUT device!MUDX wrote:i think i may have already done that
because a small window popped up saying
" saved ! "..
then the Audio Setup window popped up
with Core Audio Device
set at "Built-in Audio"
..
and the 'OK' to click.
what do i do next?
MU.LAB has already been improved on this point: It automatically selects the first audio OUT device, not just the first device, which in many cases is an input device.
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- KVRAF
- 1645 posts since 24 May, 2002
I think also on this point MU.LAB has already been finetuned.Calum wrote:When the audio setup window opens you actually have to click on the core audio device window to select it and then click OK. I found this confusing at first - Jo, perhaps this needs to be looked at because the core audio text looks as though it has already been selected when the window is first opened.
Can you please verify that the behaviour you mean is OK now in beta C.
Thanks.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 34 posts since 5 Nov, 2006
hi
for me it's just as CALUM said: Edit/Audio gives me a window with "saved !" first (so i may have chosen Built-in Audio previously, i downloaded LUNA weeks ago).
then, the 'choice' window pops up, and "BUILT-IN AUDIO" is already typed in, black letters on white background, no orange highlight to indicate a click being necessary INSIDE of the fill-in box.
i do not see an 'OUT' and 'IN' choice here.
one box, that in this case is already filled in with "Built-in Audio", as i've said earlier.
i think your advice here would be to trash LUNA and re-download the newest beta. ?
since i am not like the others here, already knowledgeable and quick, i simply want to stick with the earlier version since that one was offered to the general public as a look at what LUNA is promising to anyone outside of digital music production and just interested in wide-eyed possibilities of music somehow magically occuring on their suddenly mercurial computer !
what i want may not be what this forum is about, which is responses of those who are helping to test it, and noticing things that i most likely would not. lol
there's a large " 1.1 " in the white spaced rectangle to the right of the Play/Record button on my version.
i did find something that may be of help to you and offer it here:
(on the Introduction page - Help/Read Documentation)
LUNA System Requirements
Windows: Me, NT, 2K, XP or higher + ASIO driver!
Apple: OSX 10.3.9 or higher. LUNA runs as a Universal Binary, thus on both Mac PPC as Mac Intel
At least 6 MB free disk space
-- second line, "thus... etc." - should this read as "thus works on both Mac PPC and Mac Intel as Mac Intel" ? i had trouble reading this, lol.
i'd like to repeat my note of caution here. to those that have no idea what a "rack" is and are suddenly interested in trying just to hear the Bach sounds after downloading a digital music writing program to begin with, the Windows and Mac beginner first tutorial should be separate for each kind of computer user to follow. ample screenshots for the first newbie attempts to enter this new world.
in my case, you have to imagine an eight year old with keys to the car in the middle of the night running away from home.
if it makes it through, there's a great chance that in the future it'll be sitting in its own car.
lol
for me it's just as CALUM said: Edit/Audio gives me a window with "saved !" first (so i may have chosen Built-in Audio previously, i downloaded LUNA weeks ago).
then, the 'choice' window pops up, and "BUILT-IN AUDIO" is already typed in, black letters on white background, no orange highlight to indicate a click being necessary INSIDE of the fill-in box.
i do not see an 'OUT' and 'IN' choice here.
one box, that in this case is already filled in with "Built-in Audio", as i've said earlier.
i think your advice here would be to trash LUNA and re-download the newest beta. ?
since i am not like the others here, already knowledgeable and quick, i simply want to stick with the earlier version since that one was offered to the general public as a look at what LUNA is promising to anyone outside of digital music production and just interested in wide-eyed possibilities of music somehow magically occuring on their suddenly mercurial computer !
what i want may not be what this forum is about, which is responses of those who are helping to test it, and noticing things that i most likely would not. lol
there's a large " 1.1 " in the white spaced rectangle to the right of the Play/Record button on my version.
i did find something that may be of help to you and offer it here:
(on the Introduction page - Help/Read Documentation)
LUNA System Requirements
Windows: Me, NT, 2K, XP or higher + ASIO driver!
Apple: OSX 10.3.9 or higher. LUNA runs as a Universal Binary, thus on both Mac PPC as Mac Intel
At least 6 MB free disk space
-- second line, "thus... etc." - should this read as "thus works on both Mac PPC and Mac Intel as Mac Intel" ? i had trouble reading this, lol.
i'd like to repeat my note of caution here. to those that have no idea what a "rack" is and are suddenly interested in trying just to hear the Bach sounds after downloading a digital music writing program to begin with, the Windows and Mac beginner first tutorial should be separate for each kind of computer user to follow. ample screenshots for the first newbie attempts to enter this new world.
in my case, you have to imagine an eight year old with keys to the car in the middle of the night running away from home.
if it makes it through, there's a great chance that in the future it'll be sitting in its own car.
lol
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 34 posts since 5 Nov, 2006
"You need to select a Core Audio OUT device, not an INPUT device!
MU.LAB has already been improved on this point: It automatically selects the first audio OUT device, not just the first device, which in many cases is an input device."
doesn't Mac cover both in "Built-in Audio" ? anyway, that's all i see in the provided box for Audio settings in the Edit menu, already filled in.
if so, how to i make the input/output choices in the older LUNA version that Jo shows here that are now automatic on the new version ? i am not seeing choices now.
or, ... how do i start by hearing the "Bach" offered in the older demo LUNA ?
MU.LAB has already been improved on this point: It automatically selects the first audio OUT device, not just the first device, which in many cases is an input device."
doesn't Mac cover both in "Built-in Audio" ? anyway, that's all i see in the provided box for Audio settings in the Edit menu, already filled in.
if so, how to i make the input/output choices in the older LUNA version that Jo shows here that are now automatic on the new version ? i am not seeing choices now.
or, ... how do i start by hearing the "Bach" offered in the older demo LUNA ?
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- KVRAF
- 1645 posts since 24 May, 2002
Please goto the Audio Setup
Then click on the device list
Then choose an OUTPUT device
Many device have both inputs and outputs, so choosing such device is ok, as it has output.
But for one obscure reason, apple has split up the built in audio device into "Built-in Input" and "Built-in Output".
If this is the case on your computer, then choose "Built-in Output", otherwise LUNA won't play. Which is logical, because if you don't have any output, how would you like to hear output then?
Hope you see what i mean. Also see this screenshot:
http://www.mutools.com/luna/screenshot-20071109.png
As messaged earlier, MU.LAB (successor of LUNA) has already been improved so that it automatically defaults to an output device, just for your convenience.
MU.LAB is not yet officially available. But it will be officially released in December, i.e. next month
Then click on the device list
Then choose an OUTPUT device
Many device have both inputs and outputs, so choosing such device is ok, as it has output.
But for one obscure reason, apple has split up the built in audio device into "Built-in Input" and "Built-in Output".
If this is the case on your computer, then choose "Built-in Output", otherwise LUNA won't play. Which is logical, because if you don't have any output, how would you like to hear output then?
Hope you see what i mean. Also see this screenshot:
http://www.mutools.com/luna/screenshot-20071109.png
As messaged earlier, MU.LAB (successor of LUNA) has already been improved so that it automatically defaults to an output device, just for your convenience.
MU.LAB is not yet officially available. But it will be officially released in December, i.e. next month
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- KVRist
- 357 posts since 5 Aug, 2006 from St. Louis
I have a tutorial that may help get someone started. It's a little dated, but most can get the general idea. Both MAC and PC are covered.
http://johnnypumphandle.com/johnny/tutor/tutor.htm
I have more or less been waiting to see how the MU.Lab turns out before altering the tutorial to bring it up to date.
http://johnnypumphandle.com/johnny/tutor/tutor.htm
I have more or less been waiting to see how the MU.Lab turns out before altering the tutorial to bring it up to date.
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- KVRAF
- 1645 posts since 24 May, 2002
It's a nice tutorial you made. I'm confident that you won't have to change too much when the new version is out.jpumphandle wrote:I have a tutorial that may help get someone started. It's a little dated, but most can get the general idea. Both MAC and PC are covered.
http://johnnypumphandle.com/johnny/tutor/tutor.htm
I have more or less been waiting to see how the MU.Lab turns out before altering the tutorial to bring it up to date.
Btw: do you receive the beta emails?
If not, feel free to send me an email to receive the beta emails too.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 34 posts since 5 Nov, 2006
thank you Calum and johnnypumphandle for your additions here, much appreciated!
and thank you Jo for yours and for your patience.
the screenshot explains it. the link provided me with the difference in what you, Jo, were repeating to me and i wasn't getting.
in my view here, there is NO dual choice in the Audio Setup menu; no Input and Output, just Built-in Audio, Soundflower 2 ch, Soundflower 16 ch. those three are it. my choices here and now.
i chose Soundflower 2ch for output to try, the Play button started to work. the 1.1 changed the measure counting off (so THAT"S what that was... ! lol).
but no sound.
went to Mac system, saw that Soundflower 2ch was chosen for output so that's like a match, right ?
but no sound.
maybe the Input changed to Built-in Audio?
with both Input and Output in the Mac system prefs set to Built-in, there is still no sound.
BUT .. (!) i got the Play button to move... . !
then i went back to Luna and chose Built-in Audio again, not having the two choices to chose from in your provided screenshot here, now everything is set to "Built-in Audio".
there is no sound.
i'm going to jump to johnny's tutorial.
thanks Calum for the 'click-inside-the-choice-box' action. i wouldn't have guessed to do that.
thanks Jo for fixing that area in the further beta.
the water's kinda cold right now, hoping for spring soon..
thanks all for good feedback. and i hope this helps someone else new as well.
Jo ?? how do i extract this version that i have of LUNA out safely
so i can download the latest beta c
since that seems to be your advice now according to the screenshot you gave ?
and thank you Jo for yours and for your patience.
the screenshot explains it. the link provided me with the difference in what you, Jo, were repeating to me and i wasn't getting.
in my view here, there is NO dual choice in the Audio Setup menu; no Input and Output, just Built-in Audio, Soundflower 2 ch, Soundflower 16 ch. those three are it. my choices here and now.
i chose Soundflower 2ch for output to try, the Play button started to work. the 1.1 changed the measure counting off (so THAT"S what that was... ! lol).
but no sound.
went to Mac system, saw that Soundflower 2ch was chosen for output so that's like a match, right ?
but no sound.
maybe the Input changed to Built-in Audio?
with both Input and Output in the Mac system prefs set to Built-in, there is still no sound.
BUT .. (!) i got the Play button to move... . !
then i went back to Luna and chose Built-in Audio again, not having the two choices to chose from in your provided screenshot here, now everything is set to "Built-in Audio".
there is no sound.
i'm going to jump to johnny's tutorial.
thanks Calum for the 'click-inside-the-choice-box' action. i wouldn't have guessed to do that.
thanks Jo for fixing that area in the further beta.
the water's kinda cold right now, hoping for spring soon..
thanks all for good feedback. and i hope this helps someone else new as well.
Jo ?? how do i extract this version that i have of LUNA out safely
so i can download the latest beta c
since that seems to be your advice now according to the screenshot you gave ?