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muzycian · Post by **muzycian** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:10 am

Robert Randolph wrote:Did not recieve beta

Oops, some admin error, sorry.

Have sent you email.

muzycian · Post by **muzycian** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:13 am

D-Fusion wrote:Thank you Jo
I have done as promised and tested Firebird+ V1.9 many ours yesterday and today and it works fine now

1 bug found while testing.
If you record the filter cutoff from Vst's from the gui it shows up as a "?" in the auutomation lane.

With beta A and B it was named Cutoff and not "?" (I have tried this with 2 different vsts).

Same with doing vst automation with the mouse in the pianoroll, it only show standard midi controller options and not vst's parameters like cutoff etc...

Cannot repeat that here, recording a vst parameter works just fine here.

Wich VST is that?

muzycian · Post by **muzycian** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:16 am

pljones wrote:If I select a note in the sequence editor (where two notes start at the same time), its velocity bar isn't brought "to the front" in the lower pane. Which is a pain .

Good point, thanks.

Another point. The pencil tool is somewhat inaccurate about selecting the velocity bar - I'll frequently have the tip well inside one bar and dragging adjusts an adjacent bar.

The pencil time point is snapped to the grid, and that position defines which bar is edited.

The bar width is not taken into account.

muzycian · Post by **muzycian** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:19 am

pljones wrote:If I add or delete a connector in the MPA, it doesn't always update the display until I click something.

File, New, F3, Delete the racks, New plug, MuSynth, connect to Audio out. Connector line not drawn. Click MuSynth. Connector appears.

Related? -> Deleting a "Plugin" plug doesn't fully update the MPA, either. The box is left behind.

Strange, cannot repeat that here...

But will keep an eye on it.

muzycian · Post by **muzycian** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:28 am

pljones wrote:Even though a VSTi in highlighted in the MPA, playing my keyboard wasn't triggering sounds. I had to right-click-focus the plugin.

True. Will be fixed. Thanks!

muzycian · Post by **muzycian** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:40 am

Bonteburg wrote:Some observations:

Good stuff:
-You can now load an empty preset into Crossfady Loopsynth again! I still get a dialogue but no crash.Good!

strange, can't remember to have changed anything related to this...

Real bugs:

-The old 'no midi keyboard on first run' seems to be back? Interesting though, what constitutes a first run? First run after quitting it?

Not sure what you mean...

-deleting an ADSR envelope in the plug area whilst it was 'targeted' resulted in a neverending beachball ie hangup. Obviously it's not something you should do I guess ..but still..

Can't repeat that here...

Quirks and strangeness:

- I get an unnecessary 'recording too silent' dialogue after recording with my MIDI keyboard.

So i assume you have enabled the Record Audio selector (near the Record button).

And then the dialog is normal.

-When you mix a sequence down to audio and add the audiofile it doesn't seem to get assigned to any one rack. Maybe you should change this, the way it is it's a little opaque I think, especially when you want to apply effects etc.

You're right. Will be tuned. Thanks!

unimportant stuff:

-I spent little while trying to find a device to chain two synths and I have to say I much prefer 'Dummy' to the rather technical sounding 'Patchpoint'. It's more likeable I think nd in keeping with MU.LAB's image.

Mmm, but "Dummy" is so ... dummy

toxicoh · Post by **toxicoh** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:17 am

Beta D works well for me on OSX.

I like the extra pre-sets for MuVerb and Echo.

Next I'm off to give the laptop a bashing.

toxicoh · Post by **toxicoh** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:59 am

Bonteburg wrote:semi ... as you're using a Mac- what type of controller do you use with Mu:Lab and can you play fast, chordy stuff without getting hanging notes? Is that on 10.3 or 4 ?

Hi Bonte, I thought I'd try to replicate your problem. Your intel Mini would be newer (faster, better etc) than my machine.

What are you doing to get your hanging notes? Are you using an onboard sequencer to get the rapid notes out of the keyboard?

I tried playing two hands 4 notes each (manually) as fast as I can, and no stuck notes here. Using a Casio CZ-1 and Edirol UM-1ex USB adaptor, so pretty low end.....

Anyway, worth a try. Good luck with it.

D-Fusion · Post by **D-Fusion** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:13 am

muzycian wrote:
D-Fusion wrote:Thank you Jo
I have done as promised and tested Firebird+ V1.9 many ours yesterday and today and it works fine now

1 bug found while testing.
If you record the filter cutoff from Vst's from the gui it shows up as a "?" in the auutomation lane.

With beta A and B it was named Cutoff and not "?" (I have tried this with 2 different vsts).

Same with doing vst automation with the mouse in the pianoroll, it only show standard midi controller options and not vst's parameters like cutoff etc...
Cannot repeat that here, recording a vst parameter works just fine here.

Wich VST is that?

Hi i did some more testing now and if i record automation from the gui and select merge after stopping the recording all automations shows up with a ? instead of parameter names.

If i select new track after recording instead of merge it shows the parameters corectly.

muzycian · Post by **muzycian** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:43 am

D-Fusion wrote:
muzycian wrote:
D-Fusion wrote:Thank you Jo
I have done as promised and tested Firebird+ V1.9 many ours yesterday and today and it works fine now

1 bug found while testing.
If you record the filter cutoff from Vst's from the gui it shows up as a "?" in the auutomation lane.

With beta A and B it was named Cutoff and not "?" (I have tried this with 2 different vsts).

Same with doing vst automation with the mouse in the pianoroll, it only show standard midi controller options and not vst's parameters like cutoff etc...
Cannot repeat that here, recording a vst parameter works just fine here.

Wich VST is that?
Hi i did some more testing now and if i record automation from the gui and select merge after stopping the recording all automations shows up with a ? instead of parameter names.

If i select new track after recording instead of merge it shows the parameters corectly.

I assume you're merging the recorded parameters into a part that uses another target i.e. another vsti.

And so the recorded parameters don't match the target vsti anymore.

And that's why the "?" shows up.

Could this explain the issue?

muzycian · Post by **muzycian** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:43 am

muzycian wrote:
pljones wrote:If I add or delete a connector in the MPA, it doesn't always update the display until I click something.

File, New, F3, Delete the racks, New plug, MuSynth, connect to Audio out. Connector line not drawn. Click MuSynth. Connector appears.

Related? -> Deleting a "Plugin" plug doesn't fully update the MPA, either. The box is left behind.
Strange, cannot repeat that here...

But will keep an eye on it.

Yes, got it!

It's when doing "New Session" when the MPA is already open.

Will be fixed!

D-Fusion · Post by **D-Fusion** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:22 pm

muzycian wrote:
D-Fusion wrote:
muzycian wrote:
D-Fusion wrote:Thank you Jo
I have done as promised and tested Firebird+ V1.9 many ours yesterday and today and it works fine now

1 bug found while testing.
If you record the filter cutoff from Vst's from the gui it shows up as a "?" in the auutomation lane.

With beta A and B it was named Cutoff and not "?" (I have tried this with 2 different vsts).

Same with doing vst automation with the mouse in the pianoroll, it only show standard midi controller options and not vst's parameters like cutoff etc...
Cannot repeat that here, recording a vst parameter works just fine here.

Wich VST is that?
Hi i did some more testing now and if i record automation from the gui and select merge after stopping the recording all automations shows up with a ? instead of parameter names.

If i select new track after recording instead of merge it shows the parameters corectly.
I assume you're merging the recorded parameters into a part that uses another target i.e. another vsti.

And so the recorded parameters don't match the target vsti anymore.

And that's why the "?" shows up.

Could this explain the issue?

Yes user error is now confirmed

I connected the sequence to the rack and not to the plugin/vst instrument.

So it works fine now i can even see the vst controller parameters in the automation lane

Off to do some more testing and i will examine problems even deeper before i post them in here now

Bonteburg · Post by **Bonteburg** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:22 pm

Yo!

muzycian wrote:There has been killed a bug that could cause hanging notes when playing very short notes on your keyboard, depending on the buffer size of the audio device.

maybe it's the buffer size then? Is there a way to access/change it in MU:LAB?

Any hanging notes when playing a keyboard on the mac mini?

Yep, same situation. It's puzzling in that it really looks like it's connected to chords and fast notes, so you can't possibly be all wrong.

Crossfade Loopsynth improvement:

strange, can't remember to have changed anything related to this...

Hah! Maybe the bug was a function of some other bug or something? So you never knew when you did away with it.
Do you have Crossfade Loopsynth? But anyway it's gone now

No keyboard action on first run:

Not sure what you mean...

Wasn't there this bug in Luna and MU:LAB where you couldn't hear anything and/or wouldn't get any keyboard action? I'm confused myself now because on trying to reproduce it everthing was fine. I'll do some more testing later.

"Recording too silent":

So i assume you have enabled the Record Audio selector (near the Record button).

Mmm, but "Dummy" is so ... dummy

Bonteburg · Post by **Bonteburg** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:34 pm

toxicoh wrote:What are you doing to get your hanging notes? Are you using an onboard sequencer to get the rapid notes out of the keyboard?

Nah, just my playing much the same way you did - pinky and thumb of the left hand doing some bass octaves, right hand playing three note intervals, occasionally hitting a little harder or doing a clumsy staccato, that's when the notes are dropped or the note offs aren't being recorded. It always seems to affect only one note (any one note).
Slow action and arpeggios don't seem to be a problem.

Interestingly enough, it doesn't happen in AU hosts, nor in Renoise (vst host but a tracker).

Bonteburg · Post by **Bonteburg** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:44 pm

More stuff!

Possible bug:

I couldn't choose a midi channel per part (right click on part) playing a multitimbral plugin (RMIV).
That is, I could choose one but it didn't seem to do anything.

Ideas:

-There's a lot of black in the rack area when you make the window bigger so I thought, wouldn't it be cool if you could change to modular view with a right click on the rack view?

-On right-clicking to delete a connection (modular view) i think it would come in handy to have a "delete all connections" option, to be able to unhook a whole module really quickly.

Marco

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