u-he

politcat · Post by **politcat** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:19 am

I think I know (maybe) what the following sentence means but it is grammatically difficult:
"When set to none input only reaches the delay line of one of the other delay lines feed the signal to the delay line with input set to none."

wonshu · Post by **wonshu** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:44 am

politcat wrote:I think I know (maybe) what the following sentence means but it is grammatically difficult:
"When set to none input only reaches the delay line of one of the other delay lines feed the signal to the delay line with input set to none."

I will fix it to this?

When set to none, signal only reaches the delay line if one of the other delay lines feed their signal to the delay line with input set to none.

Oh and thanks for calling this to my attention!

politcat · Post by **politcat** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:32 am

wonshu wrote:I will fix it to this?
When set to none, signal only reaches the delay line if one of the other delay lines feed their signal to the delay line with input set to none.

Oh and thanks for calling this to my attention!

ah ha...that makes some sense now. so, if set to none, one of the other delay lines has to be routed to it, otherwise it's not in use, correct?

to be sure, your little manual has been helpful in understanding some other stuff I wasn't certain about. mfm2 is not simple, but it is relatively easy.

oh and your welcome

wonshu · Post by **wonshu** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:46 am

politcat wrote:so, if set to none, one of the other delay lines has to be routed to it, otherwise it's not in use, correct?

Correctemundo...

Maybe I'll use your sentence... sorry, I'm not a native speaker although I'm doing ok, but every now and then my barbarian roots show...

tboulette · Post by **tboulette** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:41 pm

How about: "When set to none, the signal is routed to the delay line ONLY if it receives input from one of the other delay lines with input set to none."

wonshu · Post by **wonshu** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:56 pm

tboulette wrote:How about: "When set to none, the signal is routed to the delay line ONLY if it receives input from one of the other delay lines with input set to none."

But that is not at all what is happening.

The situation is as follows.

Delay line 1 - input -> none. There will be no signal flowing through this delay line.

Delay line 2 - input -> whatever (except none) signal flows only through delay line 2.

Delay line 1 now only gets any input signal if the user matrix is set so that delay line 2 sends the output of delay line 2 to delay line 1.

Clear?

Hence I think the sentence we came up with should describe this.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:38 pm

You'll sort it out

tboulette · Post by **tboulette** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:46 pm

wonshu wrote:Clear?

Not exactly, but that's probably me rather than you. I thought I was mostly just changing around the subject and object of the second half of the sentence in a way that was logically equivalent, but hopefully more clear. But I guess not. I'm confused, so I'll just stop unsuccessfully trying to be helpful and stay out of it!

I do appreciate the hard work put into the manual for MFM (and Z2). They're both quite "deep" as plugins go, and your explanations are really helpful.

wonshu · Post by **wonshu** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:04 pm

tboulette wrote:How about: "When set to none, the signal is routed to the delay line ONLY if it receives input from one of the other delay lines with input set to none."

See, the last part was confusing to me. Because what input is it referring to? That the other delay lines have to be set to "none" as well?

Hehe...

Being clear in these descriptions is really hard and I'm always happy to be corrected!

Best
Hans

politcat · Post by **politcat** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:48 pm

how does this sound:
"When set to NONE no signal is passed through the delay line unless another delay line is routed to it in the matrix."

i think it's obvious the second delay can't be set to NONE.

i know it's a lot of work, but having at least a few examples (like the one you gave above) really helps.

Sickle · Post by **Sickle** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:10 pm

Urs wrote:You'll sorted it's outer

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:20 pm

wonshu wrote: I will fix it to this?

When set to none, signal only reaches the delay line if one of the other delay lines feed their signal to the delay line with input set to none.

without knowing the rest of the paragraph as context, what about

if this is set to 'none', a signal can only enter this delay line if another delay line is configured to send its output to it.

politcat · Post by **politcat** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:30 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:without knowing the rest of the paragraph as context, what about
if this is set to 'none', a signal can only enter this delay line if another delay line is configured to send its output to it.

that works too

tboulette · Post by **tboulette** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:48 pm

"When set to none, PM wonshu to find out what happens."

tboulette · Post by **tboulette** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:53 pm

wonshu wrote:
tboulette wrote:How about: "When set to none, the signal is routed to the delay line ONLY if it receives input from one of the other delay lines with input set to none."
See, the last part was confusing to me. Because what input is it referring to? That the other delay lines have to be set to "none" as well?

I see what you mean now. I was worried about which delay line we were talking about, not the input. In the original version, I was getting hung up trying to understand what delay line was being referenced at the end of the sentence.

I don't envy you trying to render this into comprehensible English! But it's definitely worth the effort.

u-he

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06 Signal Flow (MFM2 manual)