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Ben H · Post by **Ben H** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:21 am

So can someone who has been at NAMM comment on how mojo horns sounds?
Or provide any further info?

Since I am unable to attend NAMM myself and there is no further info about them on the vir2 site, I was wondering what people's impressions that heard it at NAMM were?

Cheers,

Ben H

chlady · Post by **chlady** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:12 pm

I too was wondering what these Mojo horns sound like? I can't find any reviews or demos anywhere. I need a horn lib very soon, and so far Fable sounds Broadway Big Band is the one that sounds like the real deal, although a bit pricey.

justin3am · Post by **justin3am** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:24 pm

I was there but don't recall seing the booth for Mojo Horns... do you know where they were located?

Ben H · Post by **Ben H** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:37 pm

justin3am wrote:I was there but don't recall seing the booth for Mojo Horns... do you know where they were located?

Hey Justin,

They probably would have been part of the Big Fish Audio booth #6510.
According to the OP they were displaying

Basis - Electric, Upright, and Synth Bass
Elite Orchestral Percussion
Mojo: Horn Section

I can't find any demos or info for MOJO on either the vir2 site, the BigFish site, or any other sites either. (I've checked sonicstate, harmony-central, emusician, soundonsound etc.)?

Ben H · Post by **Ben H** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:47 am

I just found this info in the KVR database.
Sadly no demos though.

http://www.kvraudio.com/get/3089.html

noiselurker · Post by **noiselurker** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:13 am

dynamitec wrote:
benjamind wrote:Looks like samples. Samples...isn't there anything better than damn samples?
Hi everyone!

I just wanted to join the discussion! The Mojo Horn library is based on samples, yes, but it's powered by more than 20000 lines of Kontakt Scripting (which i did - so i know what i speak of . Belive me: it's not just another "sampled" library. The main goal in the scripting part of this library was to achive a maximimum possible realism with as less effort as possible from the user to achive this goal. Exactly the same applys to BASiS and Elite Orchestral Percussion.

You definitly should check it out on NAMM!

Good work. Just based on degree of dificulty. I just started learning kontakt scripting, because, it can be quite powerfull. Samples with the scripting are an interesting prospect.

I saw the new garritan aria engine and it looks great too, but the scripting in kontakt does offer alot of posibilities. I think large midi libraries, scripting, etc. offer sample libraries a whole new life. I'm not sure why more companies don't combine their samples with a large midi library that can be run in a sampler, or just plopped into a DAW. The Yamaha Motif does that to get very realistic performances to use and shuffle.

vir2 · Post by **vir2** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:05 am

Hi all,

Thanks for the interest in Mojo: Horn Section. We announced it at NAMM, but the web pages and audio demos aren't ready yet. We hope to post these in the next couple of weeks. The firm details that we can confirm at this time are:

*12 instruments (trumpet, trumpet mute, trombone, trombone mute, soprano sax, alto sax, tenor sax, bari sax, flugelhorn, clarinet, bass trombone, piccolo trumpet)

*Unique auto-ensembling feature: a knob on the interface lets you toggle between 1-10 players in the ensemble. Moving this knob causes the engine to call up the extra players and space them out in the stereo field. (You do have control over width and other sonic characteristics of the ensemble.)

*Custom legato and vibrato engines.

*More than a dozen articulations per instrument, including sustains, stabs, staccatos, bends, swells, crescendos, rise to hits, octave runs up/down, four different lengths of release falls, doits, and more.

*Tempo-synced swells and crescendos.

*Numerous humanizing routines happening behind the scenes to insure realistic playing.

*Formant-correct pitch bend.

*EZRoom convolution reverb, and several other effects built in.

*Kontakt Player 2 powered.

*Price point has not been determined yet, but will be in the sub-$500 range.

*Shipping Q1 2008.

Benjamin has done a great job with the script and we will be posting more details, screenshots, and audio demos as soon as possible, probably within the next couple of weeks.

Ben H · Post by **Ben H** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:31 am

Hey vir2 crew,

Thanks for stopping by and filling us in.
The ensemble builder with player placement sounds particularly interesting.

Regards,

Ben H

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:20 am

What I do not like though is the dismissive attitude that some people seem to take towards sample based instruments these days. It is a kind of almost religious type of fanatacism, where they will jump in to any thread, announcement or discussion to "preach" their synthesis.

It's not even that. I suspect it's from users who don't completely know how to use a sampler. Here at KvR I constantly see posters making great differentiation between synths and samplers. They obviously don't use the synth functions on the better samplers, because a decent sampler is just a synth that lets you put in your own recorded oscillators. There is probably a large-ish user base out there who simply use ROMplers etc or even fully fledged samplers as simple playback devices. What they don't see is that whatever can be done on a PM synth can be done on a sampler - if a PM synth can sound good, then how good can that PM synth sound when you feed it samples of the instrument it's modelling as oscillators or whatever and then use the PM functions as well?

It's simple ignorance. Samplers are synths and sound only as good as the effort you put into patching them as well as the sample set.

chlady · Post by **chlady** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:24 am

Yes I hope Mojo gets posted soon with demos, as I need to a decide on a horn lib very soon for a project I'm working on. It might be hard to even wait until the end of 1st quarter in March, or even longer with the way announcements are made and delayed in the software industry . But I am very curious about this lib.

Craig

Tony Ostinato · Post by **Tony Ostinato** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:08 am

i personally dismiss samples cause i use this stuff live and for some reason i cant get the audience to hang around while i edit together my improvised solos.

vir2 · Post by **vir2** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:12 pm

Then you should really be hiring real players.

Ben H · Post by **Ben H** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:16 pm

Tony is actually a pretty mean jazz cat himself actually...

Ben H · Post by **Ben H** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:17 am

Hmmm. Seems like Q1 was slightly optimistic.
Indeed Q2 has also passed, and there has been no new news.

Does anyone have any news or updates on this? Vir2? BigFish?

Some guy who posts on KVR · Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:25 am

Does anyone else find the NAMM acronym to be in bad taste? It reminds me too much of NAM, as in Vietnam. It seems kind of racist to be honest.

NEW STUFF at NAMM 2008