KVR Audio

BERFAB · Post by **BERFAB** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:52 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
zvenx wrote:This is east-west's:

http://www.soundsonline.com/help.php?section=conditions

rsp
nothing about 'trailers' in that, I notice.

What can't I use the sounds for?

You cannot use the sounds in isolation (i.e. when they are not used within musical compositions) as part of a commercially released project. For example, you cannot use the sounds to make another Sample CD, or include them as individual sound samples on a multimedia CD, gaming machine, or toy, that is commercially distributed. You must add substantial instrumentation to loops* (*loops are compositions that contain a combination of sound samples that can be repeated to form a continuous piece of music). You cannot upload or download the sound samples to any database or server, unless they are used in a musical composition (in combination with other sounds) created by you.

Well, forget my last post, then. This looks very reasonable.

In the words of Roseanne Rosanadanna: "Nevermind."

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:56 pm

I think it was changed about two or three years ago.
rsp

TotcProductions · Post by **TotcProductions** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:04 pm

Doesn't the guy behind the EWQL stuff make movie trailers? I think I remember some of the libraries from EW being from his private collection for making movie trailers, so to avoid competition, he threw in the "no-trailers" clause in the contract. Am I wrong there?

I agree with most here....IMO, it's pretty dumb. The only restrictions I see as being fit for these types of sample-based instruments are limited to commercial sample production. Oh well...vote with your wallet I guess.

hehe, I think I've just ensured that I will never be doing any work for EW.

TotcProductions · Post by **TotcProductions** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:05 pm

ah, should've read the second page. Never mind then.

rlahalla · Post by **rlahalla** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:24 pm

TotcProductions wrote:ah, should've read the second page. Never mind then.

Bastard! Why don't you read before you post??? Now look, you're making all sorts of unneccessary postings!!! Bad Totc, bad!

You know I'm just playing around

BERFAB · Post by **BERFAB** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:27 pm

rlahalla wrote:
TotcProductions wrote:ah, should've read the second page. Never mind then.
Bastard! Why don't you read before you post??? Now look, you're making all sorts of unneccessary postings!!! Bad Totc, bad!

You know I'm just playing around

Rookie mistake. Back to the minors with you...

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:29 pm

zvenx wrote:Can I use Spectrasonics Virtual Instruments in multimedia or game music projects?
Yes, this is OK unless you want to put samples created with Spectrasonics Virtual Instruments directly encoded into the game. That requires an additional license.

And here, the "bend the rules" thing applies. What is actually ment by that? Single stabs? Or all material?

What if I change it slightly or layer it with a different sound? Then it's a totally new sound, isn't it?

You see... these EULA's are stating "something", but not everything. Then again, who pays all those royalties in the real world, or have you SEEN games that actually mention "OST made with this and that synth"? Well? Me neither, but I know for a FACT, that Halo's first OST used a "Gregorian Choir" from a well known sample firm, yet it wasn't mentioned in the credits.

rlahalla · Post by **rlahalla** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:47 pm

BERFAB wrote:
rlahalla wrote:
TotcProductions wrote:ah, should've read the second page. Never mind then.
Bastard! Why don't you read before you post??? Now look, you're making all sorts of unneccessary postings!!! Bad Totc, bad!

You know I'm just playing around
Rookie mistake. Back to the minors with you...

Now where's that damn batboy??

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:52 pm

Compyfox wrote:And here, the "bend the rules" thing applies.

erm, no.

What if I change it slightly or layer it with a different sound? Then it's a totally new sound, isn't it?

no, its not its a derived sound, and not totally new. if it was totally new, it wouldn't have had the previous samples as source material.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:53 pm

rlahalla wrote:Now where's that damn batboy?? :D

In the Weekly World News! http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/extra/comic/bat_boy/21

rlahalla · Post by **rlahalla** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:05 pm

Meffy wrote:
rlahalla wrote:Now where's that damn batboy??
In the Weekly World News! http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/extra/comic/bat_boy/21

You'd figure that I'd realize the term "batboy" would have some good responses. Always a fun time when Meffy's around!

What if I change it slightly or layer it with a different sound? Then it's a totally new sound, isn't it?

Nope. All Spectrasonics is saying in that particular passage of the license is that if you write music or create sound FX using their libraries that get embedded in the video game itself (level sounds/background music/etc) that you would need to purchase an additional license to do so.

TotcProductions · Post by **TotcProductions** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:40 pm

Aye, back to the bench I go.

rlahalla · Post by **rlahalla** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:33 pm

TotcProductions wrote:

Aye, back to the bench I go.

TotcProductions · Post by **TotcProductions** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:48 pm

@rlahalla: Hey, do you have Albino III by any chance??

chilln · Post by **chilln** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:25 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
zvenx wrote:This is east-west's:

http://www.soundsonline.com/help.php?section=conditions

rsp

nothing about 'trailers' in that, I notice.

You guys must be thinking about QL Voice of the Apocalypse, which I believe had special restrictions for trailer use (unless it's also used in the film for said trailer), per Nick Phoenix.

I never heard of any other restrictions on EastWest libraries, other than restrictions against using their loops in music library compositions.

Can I use Trilogy on Music Libraries or Film Trailers?